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Developing My Newest Coin Product! Verdi-Care

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 Posted 04/26/2010  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your pictures are fine! I appreciate your input. You're doing a great job!
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 Posted 04/27/2010  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice results Wheezy! I await the rest of the experiment.

Thad, I had a quick question. I was wondering what you think this is, and any method for it to be removed, such as acetone or your product when it comes out. I purchased this amazing SLQ from you a while back, and I think I remember you mentioning it had a bit of PVC or some green substance on the reverse.

I still love the coin, and the green "dot" doesn't bother me at all, but just wanted to learn a new thing or two. Thanks.


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 Posted 04/27/2010  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Always start any conservation project with the polarity ladder in this order:

1) deionized water
2) acetone
3) xylene

I cannot say if VERDI-CARE™ would be able to remove that spot. It depends on what it is and how firmly it's attached to the surface. Remember, VERDI-CARE™ is not a cleaner, it will only remove light verdigris and light surface debris. I venture to say that if VERDI-CARE™ cannot remove it, you probably don't want it removed because you won't like what's underneath. That's why I classify VERDI-CARE™ as a conservation product and not a cleaner.
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 Posted 04/27/2010  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I appreciate the info. I most likely will leave it alone, since it doesn't detract from the coin and I do not plan on selling it anytime soon.

I probably will try Verdi-Gone on it when it comes out, seems like a great product.
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 Posted 04/28/2010  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

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but you'll be driving a Mercedes and not a Yugo.


Seen the price of gas lately?

But seriously though, How about this.............

#1 use Verdi-Gone to remove the corrosion.

#2 treat with Verdi-Care.

Have you done this experiment yet? Will you package the two together for a "Total coin care package" ?(you can use that phrase if you wish)
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 Posted 04/28/2010  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That certainly could be done! I haven't tried that, I'm really focused on VERDI-CARE™ at the moment.
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 Posted 04/30/2010  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I have an update with images. ( as promised by the end of April )
Here are initial before and final after images.
The theory was that BadThads Verdi-Care would reduce or eliminate verdigris and protect the coins without doing damage to the coins color, tone or patina. It would also tend to seal and protect the affective areas with an invisible micro layer.

The technique used was in two stages.
First I put a dome of the Verdi-Care on one side of the coin and let it soak there, held in place by the rim, for various amounts of time and observed. Times ranged between 30 seconds and 80 seconds per side depending on the amount of problem the coin had and how quickly I observed a reaction.

This produced some changes without any rubbing at all. I noticed that older coins tended to improve significantly and those that had a very light "more fresh" layers of verdigris. One Memorial cent came completely clean of a green haze after step 1. (NOT SHOWN) and another turned white where it once had green. also NOT SHOWN.
I think it would be interesting to see if this would lift that white milky haze that appears on some of the 1970's US Proof coins we encounter. I plan to try this in the future.

These after images below are from a second treatment. As suggested, I used a microfiber cloth and this procedure.
I soaked these coins in Acetone overnight. I had a bowl of distilled water handy and my hairdryer.
( I was careful to NOT use the hairdryer near the ACETONE )

I pat dried the coins after a rinse in the D water, then dried them with the hairdryer. Then I put a few drops on the coins sides ad rubbed them gently and looked at them from time to time. I added another drop or so to moisten the cloth. The verdigris just about completely disappeared from the Large cent, the Seated quarter the 2000 P nickel. The 2000 P nickel has a white surface though now that the green is gone and it is not desirable. The Buffalo has had a positive trade off. It looks rubbed but it looks better than it did with the deep corrosion of brown and dark green verdigris. It still remains but given a choice of the before and after, if I needed a 1916 D nickel and these were my only two to chose from, I would take the treated one for eye appeal. The half dollar had no change, as the problem it has is probably not corrosion but some kind of PVC adhesion in the crevices. The 1967 cent improved even more on the second round and I think a third try would eliminate all of the green. If this were a 1909 S vdb, I would go for it and rub it with the solution and the microfiber towel until it was all gone. It might look cleaned to some degree but I think considering the initial problem, it would probably be considered "restored".
A BU 1940S nickel still has a small spot under the bust but it is a dark spot now and "sealed" I would think where it once had a green spot on top.

Conclusion
BadThads Verdi-Care is good stuff. I think that we need to be realistic here. Although my experimenting thus far is on a very small scale, my observations are apparent to me.
It is my guess that after some more experience with using it, I will be able to take a pretty educated guess on what coins will improve using it and which ones will probably remain with problems.
I think after getting better with this stuff, I might be able to cherry pick problem coins at quite the bargain price and improve them and have them gain value.
Therefore, I think whatever the cost, this "stuff" should pay for itself in raising the value of those uglier coins.
My 1854 Large Cent is significantly improved and I feel it has appreciated in value by at least $10.00 from what it was before this project.

Plans.
I have a number of nice nickels that lived in a whitman folder and have verdigris on the edges. That has to go and this should do the trick with the use of a microfiber cloth.
Test on hazy proof coins.

BEFORE
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AFTER
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 Posted 05/01/2010  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the report! I really do appreciate your honest opinions.

I never thought about testing on a hazy proof! I'm very excited to learn the outcome of that test.

You summed it up nicely, no single product/chemical is magically going to work on every different type of problem. Every surface problem is unique. VERDI-CARE™ is but one of many different tools for coin conservation. Like a mechanic, learning which tool to use comes with experience.
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 Posted 05/01/2010  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have a large shot of the 1854 after? I'd like to make a new picture with those side-by-side.

Thanks
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 Posted 05/01/2010  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wheezy - excellent job on the testing!

Me and my case of micro fiber towels are growing gray hair.. when did you say Wizard would have it in stock, badthad?
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 Posted 05/01/2010  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi xshift

http://www.coincommunity.org/galler...hp?album=843 in personal folder
There are a few. The cleaner one by itself is stage two. The final product is here.

Glad you like the report BadThad and thank you for picking me as a lab partner.

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 Posted 05/01/2010  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Dog!

Here's the side by side pictures of the 1854 large cent. Pretty dramatic change!


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Here's the before and after for the Buffalo:


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Me and my case of micro fiber towels are growing gray hair.. when did you say Wizard would have it in stock, badthad?




We're getting closer by the day! I was really hoping to hear from my other two beta testers soon. Looks like I might just have to move on without them because I really believe the product is ready. I've only posted here about one tenth of the tests I've done. Honestly, I've seen nothing but good results and no ill-effects.

I'd like to have product on Wizard's website by the end of May.
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 Posted 05/02/2010  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have an after close-up of the seated? I'd like to do a before/after picture with that coin too.
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