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Developing My Newest Coin Product! Verdi-Care

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 Posted 05/12/2010  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I also think that scratch would probably prevent a clean grade. But look on the bright side- it previously would have been graded Scratched, Corroded but now it will only be Scratched


Indeed my friend!
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 Posted 05/12/2010  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I want to take a moment to thank those that shared before and after photos during the testing process. I also want to thank BadThad for including the community during the development of his new product. I have never given much thought to conservation until now and this has been an interesting process to observe.
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 Posted 05/12/2010  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And thank you back kind sir! I'm glad I have a public place to come to in order to share some of my testing and progress. Without good feedback and questions, I could not develop a complete product. As you will soon see on Wizards website, there's a LOT of documentation included with VERDI-CARE™ including: detailed instructions, an FAQ, typical results (with pictures), product summary flier and an MSDS. Compared with ANY other chemical coin product on the market, I feel my documentation BLOWS every competitor away. Not to mention email and forum support.

I'm REALLY excited about VERDI-CARE™. I'm not just tooting my own horn! Once collectors start using the product they will be like me.....I seriously cannot live without it. I have conserved many coins from my own person collection with VERDI-CARE™. Unlike other chemical products, it's very difficult to make a mistake, in fact, it's almost impossible. The product is extremely safe for ALL coin surfaces due to its gentle nature.

Here's a few points:

  • No more trying several different chemicals hoping that one of them will fix the problem!
  • No more long months of oil or chemical soaking!
  • No more guesswork!
  • No more CRYING over a ruined coin!

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05/12/2010 2:01 pm
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 Posted 05/12/2010  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I want to apologize to Thad for not getting my test results in sooner. As several may know, I was just 40 km from the Easter Sunday 7.2 earthquake just across the Mexico border. We have had over 600 aftershocks above 3.0, many 4s, few 5+, but still have a couple a day. I can only imagine it's like a tornado nearby, as it felt like some giant, picked up the foundation and shook everything loose for 1 minute and 15 secs. I have still not straightened all of the rooms. My scopes, cameras, coin boxes,everything all on the carpet. But since there were no bad injuries and I was lucky to have no structural damage. Do not build masonary or stone buildings in earthquake. Library is condemned as well as several churches, etc.....But now to some test results!

Photos show prior appearance on left, after use of verdicare (type I [original]). I used the gentle rub method as advised as these were circulated.Camera settings and lighting were kept as close as possible.

I picked some varied coins that I personally wanted to see the effects. This is a 1956 Lincoln.


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Now a sad 1943-S zinc coated steel.

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A Mexico 1951 50 centavos copper-nickel

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Hungary Silver Denar 1458-1490

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Toned Lincoln

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This Billon aspron trachy nomisma has a third photo as the treatment left it too "shiny" so I dipped it in 91% isopropyl alcohol to suit me. The 2nd and 3rd photos look almost identical, but in hand the last is more appealing to me.

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My observations so far is that it does enhance the appearance of the coin, and after a short time, it loses any sticky surface. The after photos do appear as higher contrast to me and seem to be due to the protective material left on the surface. I will add some more photos as I intend to do more toned coins and BU coins. This material didn't have any verdigris removing makeup as does Thad's latest formulations.

Jim

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 Posted 05/12/2010  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim, thanks so much for testing!

Your test formula does actually have ReAcT2™ in it, but at half the level as the final formula. There's also a couple other differences, but it's fairly close to the final.

I know you've been through a lot lately and I hope everything is getting better for you and your family. Thanks for taking the time!
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 Posted 05/12/2010  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tested on a nice, blue toner tonight. As expected, no effect on the blue toning at all....it's really hard to capture with my camera.

The reverse appeared to have a "cement like" carbonate verdigris. Only about 50% was removed with the towel method. To get the rest I put a couple of drops on the reverse, let it soak for about a minute, then gently rubbed with a toothpick in the devices. The total conservation time for this coin was less than 5 minutes.


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05/12/2010 10:48 pm
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 Posted 05/12/2010  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Thad!

I did manage to find some of the photos. I like the solution. It has a nice look on the coin. I have tried it on toned copper and silver coins with nice effect,and no damage to the toning, but the photos are still hiding. I hope to find the SD soon :) Another nice product! I procured some known AT coins to test on soon. Wonder if it will make them easier to ID or harder. I think the latter. Interesting.

Jim
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 Posted 05/13/2010  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm really looking forward to the AT coin results! I don't think it will effect them if the AT was done by sulfur. However, if they were artificially colored, it may remove some of the colorant.

Thanks again Jim!
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 Posted 05/13/2010  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Question: can this awesome product be shipped overseas? I am quite curious as I have some coins to be conserved.
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 Posted 05/13/2010  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are no transportation restrictions on VERDI-CARE™ per DOT regulations. Overseas sales will be up to Wizard.

Thanks for your interest!
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 Posted 05/13/2010  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was late to the beta-testing party, but BadThad was very gracious and sent me some to test. Then my SD card laid down on me and I had to get another.. so while I was waiting (being a bit on the impatient side... no, really! ) I tried using my phone camera instead, so I could do a small batch.

I apologize in advance for the picture quality, but they will at least give an idea of where the problems are on the surfaces.

Coin #1
Problem: Heavy verdigris on one side and an all-over brownish patina from use. I see a lot of the older coins from France that look like this. Soap and water had no effect on this coin prior to this.
Method: 20-second rub on both sides with microfiber towel + Verdi-Care, no rinse
Result: The majority of the verdigris disappeared within 15 seconds, and the "usage patina" lightened considerably. I like the look of it much better now.

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Coin #2
Problem: Largish verdigris section on one side, and lighter, scattered verdigris on the other.
Method: 20-second rub on both sides with microfiber towel + Verdi-Care, no rinse
Result: The small bit of verdigris that remains would probably respond well to the soak-and-wooden-toothpick method. The rest of the coin looks very good.

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Coin #3
Problem: Heavy, crusty verdigris & suspected corrosion
Method, part 1: 30-second rub on both sides with microfiber towel + Verdi-Care, then rinse (distilled water)
Result: (this is the middle picture) A little of the verdigris was eliminated, but not much.. plus, after being rinsed, the coin looked very dry. It looks like the small amount that was disturbed from the top layer exposed what was underneath.. and it needed more conserving!
Method, part 2: Soak each side for 30 seconds, then regular micro-fiber rub for another 30 seconds. No rinse this time.
Result: (this is the last picture) A lot more came off this time. I'm going to do this a couple more times to see if any more comes off. It might be responding slowly, but I have high hopes for it

(sorry about the shadows - I had to rotate the resulting pictures to give a real side-by-side photo)

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A couple of others I tried but the pictures didn't come out:

German coin made of zinc - typical white growth covering the coin.
Notes:
--The result was interesting: much of the white was eliminated and what was left was lightened, while the overall color was darkened and looked more uniform.
--I purposely did not rinse this one to test if it will form a barrier enough to keep the white from coming back. It's enjoying the evening air at the moment, so we'll see.
--The darker result allows more definition of the coin's devices to be seen - this could be a good thing for those ones you can't quite make out (even on ancients, although I have not tried one of those yet).

Canada and US cent, both plated - Verdi-care had no effect on the plating, but sure shined them up nicely..

I'll be starting another batch - with the right camera - either tonight or tomorrow, so I'll post back those results soon.

Thanks, BadThad! I really appreciate the opportunity to test this
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 Posted 05/13/2010  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great test!

I've very pleased to have you as a beta tester xshift! I love your choices of coins....exactly what I'm looking for....some variety.

A little help....

If the rub method doesn't work fully, try soaking the coin. I've had good luck just putting a few drops on the surface (the surface tension holds it there) and let it sit for about 5 minutes. Next, look at it closely and use a toothpick to prod the thicker stuff. As long it's light to moderate, it will be removed. The heavy stuff is very tough and you won't like what you see under it. Even if the heavy verdigris remains, it will be inactived by ReAcT2™...so it's not all bad to just leave it sometimes.

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 Posted 05/13/2010  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I ran across this very nasty, heavily corroded coin tonight....thought I'd give it a shot to see what happens.

First, I tried using the towel, rub method. It didn't hardly phase it. Next, I soaked each side for about 10 minutes and used the towel some more. Total conseration time was about 25 minutes.

Don't expect miracles! There's no way to save this one without destroying the patina. A 24 hour soak may have done a little more, but I'm not that motivated for this test. LOL It's about as good as it's going to get. After a full 24 hour drying period, this coin would be well-protected from future corrosion if stored properly.


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 Posted 05/14/2010  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BadThad, could you reiterate the difference (marketing differentiation) between Verdi-Gone and Verdi-Care?

Thanks.
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 Posted 05/14/2010  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are completely different chemistries. For all verdigris conservation I am recommending VERDI-CARE™ now. It is a superior product in nearly every case. In fact, it's so good I'm considering discontinuing VERDI-GONE™.

Sorry this doesn't really answer your question, but soon it may not make any difference since VERDI-CARE™ may be the only product choice.

Thanks for your interest!
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