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Boy Scout Silver Proof & National Park Program

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 Posted 06/15/2010  02:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cu29640 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a few questions here.

1) Is it just me or does the new laser polishing technique as seen on the proof Boy Scout Dollar look odd? Something bothers me about the roughness of it.

2) There are some new National Park Quarter Subscription Plans. The US Mint mentions 3 different finishes in the ad copy 1) Proof 2) Uncirculated 3) circulated. What the heck are the last 2. Is the uncirculated finish a matte finish like with the Botanical Gardens nickel, The JFK silver half dollar from 98, or matte proof like the UNC commemoratives. And is circulating what is in the annual mint set..where the coins have scuffs from hitting other coins. I am confused here haha. Is there potential for some rare finishes?

3) National Park Bullion Program. Where the heck are these? They are so large and thin..how in the world will the design be anything other than a weak strike? Plus edgmarking on these as well?
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 Posted 06/15/2010  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since 2005 the US Mint's annual uncirculated sets ("mint sets") have been created with a special process giving them a "satin finish" unlike the regular business strikes.

They are accurately described as a different type, since they are no longer minted the same way as coins released for general circulation! That is, since 2005 there have been three types of coins: Proof (from proof sets), Satin Finish (from mint sets), and Business Strike (released for circulation).

This is something that I have ranted about more than once.
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 Posted 06/15/2010  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cu29640 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
True, but the satin finishes are all different in themselves. The satin mint set finish is clearly different that the UNC commems, silver JFK half dollar, and the nickels in the coin & currency sets like the Botanical gardens set.
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 Posted 06/15/2010  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct. The special issue 1998 half dollar and 1994 & 1997 nickels used a different process than the current satin finish mint sets use. The Red Book calls the half dollar "Matte Finish" and the nickels "Special 'frosted' uncirculated pieces... they resemble proof coins."

As for the current uncirculated commemorative coins, I am not sure what process they use. It seems like they have a satin finish to me, but I am not certain.
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 Posted 07/10/2010  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zazenboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the old description better which was sandblast matte proof which gives a better Idea of the true finish, satin unc does not quite do justice to the low key flat matte finish that did not in the least resemble uncirculated cartwheel luster in any way. Almost every uncirculated commem since the 1995-96 Atlanta Olympics has been specially treated in this way. However the marketing geniuses at the mint call this " uncirculated" now. Uh, yeah, duh!

Whereas, " circulated" from the confusing array of ATB options will be taken from newly struck business strikes without any special finish or handling, but would be new coins, not actual circulated coins, which to even any new collector of even a week, "circulated" means used coins. It is completely stupid of the mint to go against the most common sense basic rule of numismatics, but then again they are a typical government bureaucracy that marches to its own beat, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Jbuck, I too, rant and rave about the US Mint, can't stand how they market their products, but then can't get new releases anywhere else either! Love them and HATE them!
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The mint is crazy like a fox with these NEW finishes. They make the first of them in 1998. Then nada for years. Kapow, a second, then a third. Now, it is a series. Completists like me see it as a gift, with a tidy little abbreviated set, easy to assemble right now, and quick to put into a binder. The mint now announces a three coin ATB set, with a special "other" finish. Let's look at what it isn't to see what it may be: Satin... well they've already done that. Burnished, as in the fields of the ATB Quarters, well they done that as well. Uncirculated, simply. That's done in general circulation rolls, so that might not be it. Let's flash back to 2007, shall we? The US mint announces a Signature series for the Presidential dollars. They are sixteen bucks a pop, so people stay away in droves. However, some do purchase those, and now those are thousands a pop for PF 70 specimens. So that third finish they are speaking of, like the Goodacre finish, might not be instantly recognizable to anyone except the Daughterties, Coops, Potters and Crawfords of this trade, but not you and I. But someone will get a fix on it, and then find that examples are ONLY in that three coin set. So quibble about these new finishes if you must, I love each new finish like it is a brand new color a painter has never discovered, and put into a new painting. Finally, remember that the color you see is all the other colors that the painting is not: only the color which is reflected is the color of the thing we see. That finish on that coin is a product of ingenious illusion, reflecting all which it is actually not. Brilliant, beautiful to look at, and like it's own mysterious numismatic Mona Lisa.
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