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Hope this is the right way of asking. Is there a list of world mules anywhere, that someone is aware of.
Or would it be inappropiate of me to suggest that one be started.
If this has been suggested before, I appologise, and could someone steer me in the right direction, please.
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I have never seen such a list but it should be fairly easy to compile. Would you want to include forgeries as well?
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Perhaps a separate listing for the forgeries would be great as well.

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 Posted 08/09/2006  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why don't we start a list the mules here.
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What is a mule?
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Irishraider - a mule is a coin made from two dies that were not meant to go together.
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Got it. Maybe. Like a Washington quarter obverse with a Sacagawea reverse?
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That's correct. There are dual denomination mules also dual series mules, where an old die holds over. One famous Mexican mule exists where it is an EDGE DIE that held over. But there are also mules where dies for coins from different countries get together. This can happen when a mint makes coins for other countries OR when forgers are involved and they make an error when setting up their press run.
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 Posted 08/09/2006  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gnome to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With so many members from all parts of the world should be able to compile a comprehensive list.
Who wants to start off
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I will start with a rather common mule from Mexico:

The Alamos 5 Centavo reverse die for the silver coin, the KM 398 was muled with the gold Peso obverse die. It happened in 1878, 1879, 1880 and 1886.
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Thanks Swamperbob,
The mules I have are an Australian 2000 $1 mule
and The Bahama/NZ 2c mule.



There is also the 1977 50c with the non commerative reverse [ has the standard emu/roo reverse]. Sorry only seen a pic of this one, but believe there are 3 known specimens.
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I can think of some interesting ones from New Zealand, Australia, Canada and UK.

Struck in 1967 by The Royal Mint in London there is the coin intended for circulation with New Zealand 2 cent reverse coupled with the Bahamas 5 cent obverse. There is no date on this coin. On arrival in NZ, the error was discovered and some coins were given to members or coin societies.

More recently the Valcambi Mint in Switzerland struck some Copper Nickel Unc coins with New Zealand $5 Cormorant reverse paired with Solomon Islands $1 obverse for the New Zealand 2000 Brilliant Uncirculated Coin Set. Less than 20 are thought to exist.

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There is also another "New Zealand" mule struck by the Royal Canadian Mint at Winnipeg in 1985. It has a Canadian $1 reverse and a New Zealand 50 cent obverse and is double dated. It looks as though it was struck on the Canadian dollar planchet and may therefore be considered a Canadian Mule rather than NZ mule.
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quote:
Originally posted by Brissyboy

There is also another "New Zealand" mule struck by the Royal Canadian Mint at Winnipeg in 1985. It has a Canadian $1 reverse and a New Zealand 50 cent obverse and is double dated. It looks as though it was struck on the Canadian dollar planchet and may therefore be considered a Canadian Mule rather than NZ mule.



Wayne,it was the 1981,not the 1985.There are 6 pieces known for this mule,which all turned up in Canada.There are also Canadian 25c. mules that have the obverse of a medal that came out back in around 2000.

India also has mules,especially in the 2 Rupees of the 1990's.

Both Aussie & New Zealand also have mules in the traders' token issues,which do count,as these circulated as coins during the latter half of the 19th Century.

Aidan.
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I know there are other NZ/Canadian mules, I just couldn't put my hands on my notes. However I have the "A Charlton Standard Canadian Coins 60th Edition and it shows a photograph of the 1985 mule on page 545 worth between CAN$3,000 & 5,000.

Postscript: I have found my reference pages.

From Krause World Coins - New Zealand
KM#33 - No Date (1967) Obverse Bahamas 5 cent, KM#3 and Reverse New Zealand 2 cent, KM#32, struck by Royal Mint, est. 50,000.
KM#64 - 1981 Obverse New Zealand 5 cent, KM#34 and Reverse Canada 10 cent, KM#77, struck by Royal Canadian Mint Winnipeg.
KM#95 - 1985 Obverse New Zealand 50 cent, KM#37 and Reverse Canada 1 dollar, KM#120, struck by Royal Canadian Mint Winnipeg, 6 known.
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Australian mules

1977 50 cents - Obverse Australia 50 cents QE2 1977 and Reverse Australia 50 cents Coat of Arms 1976 or 1978 (the 1977 50 cents was the Silver Jubilee of Accession of Queen Elizabeth II, the 1976 and 78 50 cents featured the Coat of Arms of Australia), struck at Royal Australian Mint, around 4 are known.

1978 5 cents - Obverse Australia 5 cent QE2 1978 and Reverse Fiji 5 cent Drum, struck at Royal Australian Mint, at least 1 know.


1978 20 cents - Obverse Australia 20 cent QE2 1978 and Reverse Fiji 20 cent Tabua on a Braided Sennit Cord, struck at Royal Australian Mint, at least 1 know.

1988 5 cents - Obverse Cook Islands 5 cent QE2 1988 and Reverse Australia 5 cent Echidna, struck at Royal Australian Mint (RAM only struck 1988 Fiji 5 cent coins for the 1988 Mint Unc Sets), 1 known.

2000 1 dollar - Obverse Australia 10 cent QE2 2000 and Reverse Australia 1 dollar Mob of Kangaroos 2000, struck at Royal Australian Mint, thought to be less than 2,000.

2001 P (Silver 1 Ounce) 1 dollar/200 dollars Proof - Obverse Australia 200 dollars (of Platinium Koala) proof QE2 and Reverse Australia 1 OZ. 999 Silver (1 dollar) Proof Australian Kookaburra 2001, struck at the Perth Mint, possibly 20 exist.

2005 20 cents Proof - Obverse Australia 20 cent proof QE2 2005 and Reverse Australia 20 cent proof Platypus 2006, struck at Royal Australian Mint for the 2006 Proof Year Set, around 2 have surfaced to date, 1 is confirmed, other not. (The 2005 Proof Set had a 20 cents reverse which featured the 60th Anniv. of End of 2nd World War - Coming Home and the 2006 Proof 20 cents reverse featured the Platypus.)

2005 1 dollar Proof - Obverse Australia 1 dollar proof QE2 2005 and Reverse Australia 1 dollar proof Mob of Kangaroos 2006, struck at Royal Australian Mint for the 2006 Proof Year Set, around 26 known to date.. (The 2005 Proof set had a 1 dollar reverse which featured the 60th Anniv. of End of 2nd World War - Peace, the Dancing Man and the 2006 Proof 1 dollar reverse featured the Mob of Kangaroos.)
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