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No, canes are not listable, so Bobs's brother remains as VAM 10, and Bob is still only VAM 10A.

No Mike, I am not trying to look outside the box.... I am looking at the box from the outside, not the inside.... it is a Pandora's Box, and it has no dimensions, color or shape that anyone can describe accurately..... As soon as a person thinks he/she has something figured out, a question arises that changes everything, (and there are a lotta questions floating around without logical answers)......There are so many things that are unknown, and never will be known..... So much of what is perceived as knowledge is really nothing more than popular conjecture..... die states are speculative at best, die marriages are little more.

This is not the fault of anyone, or caused by the negligence of anyone..... some things are just beyond human capability to accurately ascertain.... Some things are not however.... these lists, for instance... Top 100, Hot 50, Super 40, or whatever they are called.... These lists are nothing more than cheat sheets for folks who cannot think for themselves...... for people who lack the ability to formulate their own opinions....... These lists provide the service of telling a person what is interesting, what should be coveted, what to look for.... what to think.

Realism and transparency are the virtues that are lacking in the VAM game, and that is why so many folks see it as something to be avoided.... the solid answers are few, but the opinions are many..... and unfortunately, many of those opinions have been repeated so many times for so long that they are perceived as fact..... Revisions, new vams and kills occur weekly, so that tells me that things were never right from the beginning.... are things being fixed, or are things just changing to another state of incorrectness?

Thank You for posting the pictures for me Aladin. Now I see the file lines clearly as well as the pitts. Comparing those pictures with the VAM 41B pictures on VAmworld I can make the match. I think I need more magnification & Knowledge before I buy anything else. I'll Keep reading the threads as well as the Book, Thanks Gentlemen.

From what I understand the 1992 or 1991 Copyright version, however I ran across this on vamworld, am I wrong in the assumption that these the latest updates to the 1992 VAM Book?

Since its publication, many new die varieties have surfaced. Updated information is available from Leroy Van Allen in Xerox copy format:


•2010 VAM Book Supplement. VAM Varieties of Morgan & Peace dollars 1992-December 2010, 202 pages, 757 photos of 2010 additions (photos 2010 only), $16 + $2.77 media mail or $5 p&h Priority mail
•1921 Scribbles Morgan dollar Attribution Guide by Leroy Van Allen & Crae Morton, November 2008, 234
pages, 1,123 photos, $23.50 + $5 p&h Priority mail
•1878 S Morgan dollar Attribution Guide by Leroy Van Allen & Craig Lickenbrock, July 2006 (Expanded
November 2006), 110 pages, 427 photos, $19.95 + $4 p&h
•1878 P 7 Tail Feather Morgan dollar Attribution Guide, Ju;y 2006 (Updated March 2009), 115 pages, $19.95 + $4 p&h
•Misplaced Date Digits Morgan dollar Attribution Guide by Leroy Van Allen & Bill Van Note, Revised
January 2009, 48 pages, $15 + $2 p&h
•Morgan Dollar 8 & 7 Over 8 Tail Feather Story, Revised January 2006, 52 pages, $15 + $2 p&h
•Overdates & Over Mint Marks of Morgan dollars Attribution Guide, Revised March 2009, 53 pages, 140 photos, $15 + $2 p&h
•Denticle Impressions Morgan dollar Attribution Guide, September 2009, 41 pages, 157 photos, $14 + $2 p&h.
•1921 P Infrequently Reeded or Wide Reeding Morgan dollar Attribution Guide, Revised January 2009, 31 pages, $13 + $2 p&h
•Amazing Changing 1921 S VAM 1B Thorn Head Morgan dollar, Revised January 2009, 22 pages, $10 + $2 p&h
•1889 P Doubled Ear Morgan dollar Attribution Guide, Revised January, 2009, 32 pages, $13 + $2 p&h
•Micro O and Other Counterfeit Morgan and Peace dollars, Revised December 2009, 101 pages, 291 photos, $16 +$3 p&h
•Die Markers for 1921 Morgan and Peace Proof Dollars (Will the REAL 1921 Proof Dies please stand up!),
March 2005, 9 pages, $4 + $1 p&h
•Photos only from 2009 new varieties, 72 pages, $8 + $2 p&h
•Photos only from 2008 new varieties, 55 pages, $7 + $2 p&h
•Photos only from 2007 new varieties, 57 pages, $7 + $2 p&h
•Photos only from 2006 new varieties, 106 pages, $10 + $3 p&h
•Photos only from 2005 new varieties, 94 pages, $10 + $3 p&h
•Photos only from 2004 new varieties, 87 pages, $9 + $3 p&h
•Photos only from 2003 new varieties, 63 pages, $8 + $2 p&h
•Photos only from 2002 new varieties, 46 pages, $7 + $2 p&h
•Photos only from 2001 new varieties, 39 pages, $6 + $2 p&h
•Photos only from 2000 new varieties, 37 pages, $6 + $2 p&h
•Photos only from June-Dec 1999 new varieties, 22 pages, $5 + $1 p&h
•Photos only from Dec 1997-May 1999 new varieties, 23 pages, $5 + $1 p&h
•RotaFlip Die Rotation Guide tool plus Rotated Die Coin Measurements booklet, $19.95 + $2 p&h

Maximum p&h is $10 for documents ordered at same time.

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Really? I have a 1921-P PCGS MS 61 attributed VAM 1-A. It is VAM 41-A

I have always been of the opinion if I have one they can't be that rare.

It is in a safety deposit box. In my notes from 9-03-2009, I listed it as VAM 41-A, not VAM 41-B. I don't recall polishing lines, nor did I list them.

I acquired this coin from Larry Eakins. I have never chased the 1921-P VAM 41-A or VAM 41-B. Since you have have looked at quite a number of them I will have to make a trip to the bank and pull this one and give it another look over.

Ok guys, I anxiously await what ya'll have to post OZ & Dave, who is John Roberts? This is very interesting & informative as I read ya'll posts I also have the privilege of expanding my knowledge. I'm glad I found this forum, since I've been here all of you have been more than helpful, & I've learned plenty. I enjoy reading the threads, using the books as well as vamworld to try to figure them out just a rookie yet, Thank You to all. I found formation on it in the VAM book, the D1a is listed as an R-3, I'll go to vamworld & see if I can see the difference.

I'll chime in and agree with SD. John Roberts is a class act, all the way around. I always suggest that folks send their "questionable" coins to him first, rather than send coins directly to Leroy Van Allen. JR will call it straight.

Of course I am biased. JR has been my mentor the past 4 years. I could not have been luckier with the help, insight, patience, friendship and knowledge he has been gracious enough to share with me.