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Known refers to discussion within the VAM community and extrapolating ANACS and PCGS attribution numbers.

In this case, to the best of my knowledge, the discovery coin belongs to John Roberts and it is MS 61 ANACS certified. PCGS has two, a circulated AU example owned by Jeff Oxman and an uncirulated MS 63 example. Brian Raines had a cleaned AU example and I believe Jim McGovern has a cleaned AU example.

The 1880-P VAM 53 check mark discovery actually came about due to a great deal of interaction among the VAMworld community. The obverse to VAM 53 is VAM 29 obverse paired with a new reverse. It is likely that it would have taken a least ten years of research on ones own to have accomplished what comparing notes accomplished among a group of cooperative people.

1880-P VAM 53 is a top 50 list coin that is included on the PCGS 328 Morgan dollar Super set registry set.

Since one coin has a clashed reverse and the other four do not, it is reasonable to presume there are other die states that might be found.

When someone says a coin is finest known and that coin is not a list coin, by that a Top 100, hot 50, hit list 40 Morgan dollar, be very cautious as it likely hype and nothing more. Even if it is the truth, the whole truth and nothing more so what? There has to be a mechanism to verify the claim.

While the term finest known is very satisfying and implies something of great worth, It is a little like military secrets and athletic prowess, it is fleeting at best.

I have another question, that IMO, could only be a guesstimate in the answer, I know you have been closer with the VamWorld people, I am asking in your opinion, to the best of you guesstimation, how many people have or are collecting a B1 Reverse set,in MINT STATE that you know of, take a shot, hundreds?

Which is correct? The red line, any of the green ones, or any infinite number of undrawn ones? Does it even matter?

OK I have to bite...the point of interest.......and the point of reference...
is where the "implied" date reference point, is implyied.... Thats a mouth full. but it IS to the "heart" of one of the key points off attribution, and where many known vams "STRAY" as far as
there "EXACTNESS" of location, which we observe, that is to positively determine a vams EXACT date point/locations to lead to the coins attribution...my meaning is.....is it normal. near or far. or vary far...?
The listings show many that are within the basic rules, and many which are between the rules... DO these variances apply to the whole? or to specific years.. year break the rules?

I sent you mail, but a clean far date it is....I haven't read the above 80 issues......just saw your comment my friend....its off to bed.. or play some pokerstars? great to hear from you again...Bye

Nice to hear from you as well Gene..... I have been feeling low and mean lately... (tax time)..... I would not call it a far date Gene, but then, I don't know what the difference really is, because I do not know what the realities of consideration are.... All too often, I find myself in a confrontational mode over the slightest, most insignificant of things..... Things that really do not matter in the overall motion of of our daily lives..... and I have to reassess my thoughts and actions..... I really do not wish to be argumentative, but I find myself over the line, in over my head, without thinking about what really matters..... As many physicists feel that black holes and quasars are in effect, opposites..... I consider them to be the one and the same thing..... the proverbial chicken and the egg.... so it is with coins, the perfect die and the error coin...... if I am able to let my mind wander far enough, long enough, in one direction, I can probably imagine it as a far date....... Truths and untruths, realities and illusions are all states of consciousness born by our own perspectives.