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You are not taking anything off topic Mike.... this thread has no particular topic.... Vfm is merely putting me in my place as truthfully and tactfully as possible...... I, on the other hand, am respectfully sparring.... I do take his words as meaningful though.
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You know, we could put this whole issue to rest simply by redefining date placement to a measurement of the distance between the point of the neck, and the top left of the lower serif of the 1. That would factor out "tilted" dates, and the only correction would be for variances in vertical date placement which I don't think would be as large as the difference between "near" and "far" dates. Of course, that's far tougher than just visualizing the distance using denticles. So, the second solution: Consider date placement to be a subjective, "rough estimate" kind of measurement, and limit its' application to comparisons with other coins of the same year. Then you can set a hub-independent arbitrary starting point for each year. As has been said, though, the vast majority of 1879-1903 strikes have a clear relationship between neck point and denticle space. In our usual inimitable style, we've managed to make an entire mountain range out of a very small molehill indeed.  |
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This IS what discussions are for, those who do NOT understand, and assisting them to help them to do as you and others have done so for years......Question Everything!!
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No Mike, you are not taking it off course. What I said above applies to both m/m placement, and date placement. Why are there so many folks compelled to draw lines to try and establish date placement? It is because, by it's very nature, it is subjective. The best system I have seen to establish date placement was used by John Roberts in his 89-CC and 78-CC work. No lines required, and it does work. I became much more at peace with Vamming when I not only learned, but accepted the fact that m/m and date placement in the VAM descriptions are what one person saw and recorded on a given day. The result is not reproducible 100% of the time. Hence there is no "science" to it. Science dictates that results be reproducible. |
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Lets try this. What date placement is this VAM listed with? I bet we get a myriad of answers. To be clear, what did Van Allen call it?  |
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Does anyone know if the head and neck remain constant on all Morgan dollars and all dates. Other than an error anomaly. Also does the placement of the eagle remain constant? Edited by Doucet
02/10/2011 10:01 pm
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Leroy called it, a far date, how ever Alan Scott who just published the 1904-0 series book...say's there is only ONE TRUE FAR DATE.. the meaning is to be a true far date it must be in line with the third dentil to be a true far date....As done can see the grey area's between the true normal and true far or near dates,,,has areas in between each of these areas as shown with the VAM world photo's earlier posted clearly shows.....I think this is where all the misconception starts from... |
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How do I get my pictures to 100K? I don't even know what that means. I have a ton of pictures I want to post but can't get them to upload, always an error message about no *&^%$# or whatever & I don't have any in the description.
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there are many free phot programs which let you resize your photo's, some like GIMP, I use Irfanview....I don't know much about photagraphy, down load either one and save your photo's some where and use the program to open them and the program will do all the rest.. |
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OK, Thanks Aladdin, will do.
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Question about VAM rarity scale. If I understand correctly R6 or R7 coins are more scarce than R1 coins. But I read that a VAM's position on the rarity scale does not necessarily make it more valuable or desirable to collect. Are the TOP 50 the most desirable VAMS? And what makes them more popular as opposed to a VAM that may be more scarce? |
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Quote:If I understand correctly R6 or R7 coins are more scarce than R1 coins. But I read that a VAM's position on the rarity scale does not necessarily make it more valuable or desirable to collect. You understood correctly. The "R", Rarity rating is a guesstimate made by Leroy Van Allen or A. George Mallis (until his death)at the time of listing a new discovery. There are many Morgan dollars, such a a 1897-O VAM 6-A that are not on a list for people to chase after. This coin was discovered by Dr. Michael Fey. PhD. It is a fabulous Morgan dollar every bit as worthy as any coin on the top 100 list. Quote:Are the TOP 50 the most desirable VAMS? And what makes them more popular as opposed to a VAM that may be more scarce? The Top 50 are Peace dollar vams. I don't collect these so I will couch my answer this way. Collect what makes you feel comfortable and that you like. Ever thought that sometimes really neat coins are not on a list because the big guns haven't found them? Chased after them before the publication of the lists thereby finding inventory to sell? |
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