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As Silver Coins Get Melted...

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So I'm trying to complete my pre-1967 sets of dimes, quarters, halves and dollars. I tend towards the vg to vf. I collect more for fun.

As silver continues to rise can I assume that not only will the bullion value of my collection increase but also the collectability?

How long will it take for the collectors community to notice coins are getting scarcer and scarcer as they get melted? Do you think vg and vf coins will always be just bullion value?

Thanks

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 Posted 01/26/2011  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tumbleweedtrumpet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that one day all silver coins will be rare. I'm not saying in my lifetime, just one day.
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 Posted 01/26/2011  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rodime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lol it'll be forever until they're "ultra" rare.
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And ... by then, no one will be using coins :P
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 Posted 01/27/2011  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add littlemoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of those silver coins are going to China in the form of bullion
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With silver completely disappearing from world circulation, it is obvious that silver coinage has been heading for the melting pot for some time now, especially with the current high silver prices.

High grade and rare silver coins will not be melted because they will be too valuable. What I have found over the decades, is that poorer grade and common silver coins are comparatively harder to find. That is what you should expect.

Nevertheless, I have noted that desirable silver coins because of high grade or rarity, have registered a continuous rising trend in prices over the long term.

It seems that common and low grade silver coins are not desired for long term collection. Hoarding would be a better word. Those who have such bullion material are thinking ultimately of disposal for a profit, with zero care to the fate of such coins. That helps to explain the statement at the beginning of this post.
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 Posted 01/27/2011  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ayejay1974 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe one day there will be a shift in the rares. It's ok to melt the 1921 Morgan, but don't dare melt that CC marked one. At some point it's gonna be, Oops! most of the 1921 Morgans were melted because they were so common, and it's been discovered there are approximately 300 left worldwide.
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 Posted 01/27/2011  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not so sure that coin silver is being melted right now. I deal with three dealers on silver and they handle a lot of coin and sterling. The sterling is being melted unless it is a very nice piece. All of their coin silver is going into bags and sold as bullion. They cannot get enough coin silver to keep up with the bag demands. Only caveat would be 40%. Not sure what they are doing with this. I don't remember seeing bag lots of 40%.
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 Posted 01/27/2011  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The demand for silver coins as bullion presently outweighs the supply.Dealers can easily sell the coins without the expense of refining the silver.Very few coins are actually melted.
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 Posted 01/27/2011  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uncle al to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, I think that the only coins that get melted are when people take the silver coins to the bank not realizing the true silver value of the coins, and the mint catches them and removes them from circulation.
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90% Silver is sold in bag form by dealers, it's easy to count and judge the amount of silver this way. The doomsday folks like it in this form as well, this way they don't have to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk with their American Gold Eagles.
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I remember in the early 80's, (in the years after silver crashed from its' high of nearly $50 per oz.), you could get bags of "junk" silver coins that contained coins with some numismatic value. I bought bags of dimes, and rag - picked my way to many complete Roosevelt dime sets, and filled all the holes in the Mercury folder except for the 16D and the 21's. I still have the coins today!

Pennies are next up on the chopping block... Eventually when cents are discontinued, and as copper prices rise - large amounts of pre 83 coppers will be melted. (after the melting ban is lifted of course).

That makes hoarding copper cents now - a pretty good value I think. Where else can you purchase something for a cent, that is now worth nearly 3 cents - with nothing but upside potential?

I've got patience, I'll store them in the basement till the penny is just a distant memory!
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 Posted 01/27/2011  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add North of 49 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I sat down at My computer tonight I was actually planing to ask a very similar question.
I know of a lot of people who are cashing in their silver coins for quick cash and I cant help but wonder if the general value of coins will go up as the supply goes down.
Does anyone here remember what happened to the value of coins after the spike in silver prices in the late 70's early 80's ?
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 Posted 01/27/2011  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EastVanRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand the point of melting intact silver coins.

The value of having a silver coin is that you have a known quality and quantity of silver.

If you melt it into a bar, that bar will have to be weighed and assayed for purity. This adds a significant transaction cost.

Also, if things get really bad, smaller silver coins will probably come in handy for smaller transactions.

When I was a little kid, a chocolate bar cost a silver dime.

We may be going back to that scenario.
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I'm going to agree with several previous posters. Very little is getting melted.
In Canada, I'm thinking that the company that has a melting deal with the RCM (or the federal government) would make more money re-selling silver coins. This has usually been the more profitable scheme for a long time. Not sure what they do but they do the most profitable thing as a rule.
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