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1793 Flowing Hair - Chain Cent

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 Posted 05/31/2011  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great photo comparison there bobby.
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 Posted 05/31/2011  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Also, the 9 just looks wrong.
My first reaction too--so I went hunting for pics. Agreed on the proportions of the 3.
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Interesting. Good call Bobby, I wouldn't have noticed that. Most of the ones I've seen were lower grade and near dateless. Definitely questionable, but I think it's worth the cost to send it in to ANACS or some such and be sure, there are thousands of dollars on the line here.
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DVCollector! Excellent forensic sleuthing!
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 Posted 06/02/2011  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, that "9" looks way off.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually think the 3 looks more off than the 9. To me, the lower portion of the 3.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not surprised in the least that this is fake.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BrickellCat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shadow It may be suspect but has not yet been determined to be a fake. A TPG should make this determination.
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Well...it's a shame when collectors join this forum only to get "bad news", even if helpful advice.
A trusted TPG should make the final call on authenticity. I hope they'll have good news for you.
TPGs may be accurate on authentication but they're not ominpresent. Forums like CCF are invaluable to share knowledge, educate ourselves, and to develop a critical eye towards coins. We can't take any coin at face value these days.
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That is why I am hesitant to call it a fake as this is not my area of specialty. But I looked through Breen and some auction records and do not find this die variety.
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My suggestion to you would be to go to a big coin show and take it to a TPG there. I know we have one coming to town in a few weeks and PCGS is always there. They give verbal opinions and have been very helpful to me. The one lady that did mine said she was 100% certain my three legged buffalo was authentic and she would submit it for me. I just wanted to make sure it was real since I put it into a folder. Still extremely helpful.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did a little more legwork, and looked up the die pairs for the 1793 chain cent.
There are just 4 die pairs (S-1 to S-4), where the date postion/styles are covered by my group of pics on page 1.

Here's an updated pic of the 4 die pairs date positions:

1793-Flowing-Hair---Chain-Cent
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wow great photos and reading, lots of comments on the 3 and 9 how come no comments on the thingy on-top front of 7 not on die set photos ? will TGP do an alloy test?
just new here
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Well, that pretty much solidifies it as fake, unless there is some weird exception. That is really too bad. Do you remember where you got it Brickellcat? Any chance you could return it?
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Tom Reynolds could tell you instantly without even sending it to a TPG. Send him these pics and weight of the coin.
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