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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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How much would it cost to send 7 coins (Canadian) to get graded by the ICCS. If its a matter of which coin or the weight I could give a list.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Go to the website. oh forgot they do not have 1......
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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LOL...zing! No website, no email. No telephone...well ok, I'll give them the telephone, which is picked up occasionally.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
576 Posts |
For a small number of coins you'll pay about $11 each, plus shipping of about $12. Don't forget to add the HST on the total if it applies to you and your location. Phone them and they'll tell you to send a cheque with the coins themselves. Send the coins either registered or by Express Post, signed for only.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1472 Posts |
Or take a trip to Torex and hand over the coins at their table. Torex goes Saturday and Sunday, but ICCS only shows up on Saturday....sad.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
902 Posts |
Wow, poor ICCS, I wonder if they read these forums, or doe's anyone there care or own a PC ?
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Valued Member
Canada
103 Posts |
@littlemoney...I'm sure that they are well aware of the complaints that are made here, and on every other forum dealing with Canadian Numismatics. They've got some ardent supporters who are also computer savvy, so, they've got to be aware. It appears that they just don't care enough to do anything about it.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1442 Posts |
Of course they dont care :)....
as long as people continue to send them coins, they'll keep showing the numismatic community the middle finger :)
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Moderator
 Canada
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...as long as people continue to send them coins, they'll keep showing the numismatic community the middle finger... That is a bit harsh, and I take exception to a comment like that! I do not agree with the ICCS disclaimer regarding the authenticity of their coins and security of their holder, and while successful, I do not agree with the ICCS business model with respect to customer service. Yet, I have coins in ICCS holders, as well as CCCS holders and PCGS slabs - all for various reasons (that is another topic). Over the course of 25 years, I do think that ICCS, especially Brian Cornwell, has done a lot for Canadian numismatics. Brian has contributed a ton to the Charlton catalogues with respect to some of the Victorian varieties (some of which you love to collect), and he still occasionally contributes articles to the CN Journal and Canadian Coin News. Brian continues to educate numismatists and new dealers alike with his grading courses. I still think Brian is one of the few TPG graders who is (was) pretty decent with weakly struck coins. Yes, part of the blame may fall upon others who grade for ICCS, but part of the blame, in my opinion, also falls on the shoulders of dealers, who pester Brian at coin shows about grades or the dealers who love to "snip and resubmit", for the sake of a few extra bucks. Certainly the study of varieties, counterfeits and errors has been taken much further by some CCF members (e.g., Bosox and Zonad), who actually take the time to publish their hard research. Other than complain about the TPG which everyone loves to hate, what have you done for the 'numismatic community'? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Valued Member
Canada
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Somewhere in Canada, the world's smallest violin is being played.
It takes 2 minutes to set up an email, and a few hours to setup a website.
For the business ICCS is in (since 1986?), it is simply unacceptable for it to have no email and no website.
Part of the problem is dealers, and people like you, who will find excuses and attack those who would like to change it.
I said nothing of Mr.Cornwell. I'm sure he's a nice guy who has done important things for the field.
There is a reason why the most important collectors to ever collect Canadian coins, did not entrust their coins with ICCS.
"What have you done for the 'numismatic community'"?
You dont know me. What I have done, or what I will do. Stick around darling...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3402 Posts |
As a newbie getting into Canadian coins, I'm getting somewhat turned off to Canadian TPG and with all the posts, ICCS in particular. What are the better alternatives for Canadian TPG. KK |
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Canada
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Although I am not a big collector of TPG coins (since I collect varieties, I find them mainly in raw, ungraded coins) I have never had a problem with any ICCS coins that I have purchased. I have to agree with Roger (SPP) that Brian of ICCS does an outstanding job for Canadian numisnmatics as a whole.... when will all the ICCS bashing stop, its getting boring. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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My turn
TPGs appeared in the scenery because collectors in one side of the country had no way of seeing the coins and could not know if the dealer or collector in the other side of the country could be trusted. Third party meant, and means exactly that: a NEUTRAL opinion, of a coin in our case.
ANACS, NGC, PCGS and others flourished. They all graded taking eye appeal into consideration because THAT is what collectors want: high grade AND beauty. These TPGs where stablished by associations of collectors or collectors and dealers.
Fact is, murrican TPGs know little of Canadian coins today. In the past it was worse. ICCS appeared to fill in the void but with a philosophical twist: eye appeal was not taken into consideration because "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder."
Not taken eye appeal into consideration was the first of a series of bad decisions by ICCS mainly because it favored the seller while TPGs south of the border favored the buyer. Remember that when ICCS started, it's owner was a dealer.
ICCS continued through it's history to defend the interests of the dealers. Dealers want to carry all coins in small bags - granted: no hard slabs. Dealers want cheap service - granted: huge discounts when more than 100 coins are submitted. Dealers want an easy to manage inventory list - granted: no errors, minor varieties or uncatalogued (but still evident) coins. Dealers are color blind - granted: ICCS definition of "red" is ... mmm ... amusing ... The list goes on and on but I will stop it here with MY conclusion: if you are a dealer use ICCS always and ever but if you are a collector RUN away from it.
But people get older and sometimes tired. Mr. Brian Cornwall is no longer ICCS' main grader. Quality, consistency and knowledge of the product (i.e. opinion) today is not the same as it was 3 to 4 years ago. First, consistency is not there, a coin graded VF today may be AU tomorrow, an AU may become MS and grades fluctuate without reason - hence grade creep and re-submission fever. Second, there is preferential treatment. Third, the new grader(s?) does not have the necessary knowledge and blunders abound. Fourth, there is a total lack of care and respect for the coin collecting community.
ICCS was the only game in town. Serious collectors got feed up to the point that today THERE ARE NO IMPORTANT CANADIAN COINS on ICCS flips. Credibility on Canadian grading capacity is at it's low and the new player - CCCS - faces the distrust of collectors and dealers alike.
I am a SERIOUS collector and consider myself a numismatist. I have collaborated with the Charlton catalog (my name is there), published articles and frequently speak publicly about areas of numismatics that I have some knowledge. I have coins in PCGS, NGC and ANACS slabs but the vast majority of my important coins are on CCCS hard slabs. I have some ICCS certified coins, all them (believe me, MANY) are important blunders and unbelievable mistakes - I always walk around with some at the shows I go - I love show and tell :-)
I have a PERSONAL opinion about people who defend ICCS services TODAY: they are all in conflict of interest and are more interested in monetary gain than in numismatics. They could be into philately, antiques or pig farming - just a business. I respect them as human beings but not as numismatists.
I buy coins, and if it happens that they are in ICCS flips, I free them of their tomb.
(Note: last year I decided not to post in this board again because I had 2 harmless posts deleted without any explanation. I am posting again because of the importance of this issue. In fact, this is one more battle in the war between the aristocracy of the collecting community and the collectors base. Guess in what side I am ...)
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Well said t_y,all the shortcomings of ICCS stem from the fact that their service is designed to please the dealers,while ignoring the wants and needs of collectors.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2301 Posts |
Well said t_y....now leave my rotated rabbits alone........
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Posted 08/05/2011 7:52 pm
