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Buying "Junk" Silver Near Spot Regularly For Investment

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 Posted 08/13/2011  11:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am getting into this a little later in the game than I would have liked, but I just started a better job this week and (hopefully) should have a little extra to invest. I talked to my wife today and we decided to pick up an ounce or two of silver each payday (every 2 weeks). Her only stipulation is that I keep track of how much I spent each time so we can average out how much we've put into this per oz over time. Sounds like a plan to me!

I know it's not a lot to "invest" but it's something. Now I'm trying to decide what to get. I want to keep it as close to spot as possible, so not likely going with ASEs (unfortunately). I'm thinking about just selecting a "junk" silver coin and sticking with it...something easy to find at or very near spot regularly. I'd also like bigger chunks than dimes (which I normally collect), and something easy to find in AU or better condition so I'm thinking something like Peace dollars or maybe Franklin or '64 JFK Halves.

Do any of you do something like this? This would be separate from my regular coin collection...pure silver investment, not set building, etc. Of course I wouldn't mind if it were something nice looking and worth putting in books if anyone ever decided to do that.
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 Posted 08/13/2011  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
my local dealer gives great prices on junk silver.
Franklin halves, 1964 (and earlier) quarters, walking liberties, all great ways to go, and they are 90% silver too.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CPC24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Do any of you do something like this?


My dad passed away about a year ago, and I recently found his collection. It contained a good bit of junk silver. Since then, I've doubled it, with roll hunting and buying coins around spot. I even took some of my finds and traded them in for some gold, right before it shot up. Every once in a while, I'll find an AU or BU, and I put it in my book. I have mostly quarters, but also halves, dimes, and even a few Morgans and Peace dollars. I even splurged and got a couple ASEs just for the heck of it.
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If you don't havel excel, get http://www.openoffice.org

List your stuff when you buy it, and you can do your cost analysis instantly.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First decide if you are going to buy bullion or collect coins. Unless you are buying graded/slabbed pre - 1965 coins don't expect to get a premium for them when you sell. So if you pay more you will likely lose when you sell.

Selling "junk silver" in a hurry will almost always means you will get 10% to 20% below spot price. This means you are selling to a dealer or one of the large bullion companies that will take the coins today and give you a check. If you have time then you can search and sell closer to spot with private individuals.

It doesn't matter which denomination you buy, some people like dimes because in a worse case disruption of the currency they feel these are easier to bargain with. Personally when it comes to "junk silver" I buy what ever I can get a good deal on to get more silver for the dollar.

ASE's can be bought at spot or very close to spot usually through private individuals looks to sell. I buy most of mine at spot. Buying from a dealer or large bullion company expect to pay a premium up to $4.00.

If your speculating in silver then you will dollar cost average. I logged each of my purchases and include all cost associated with buying the silver. That way I can keep track if I am ahead or behind the game.

There are many ways to speculate in silver and neither is wrong. You have a host of coins from various mints such as the ASE, Maple, Panda, Junk Silver, rounds, bars etc.

Try not to get attached to bullion silver for speculation it makes it hard to sell.

Another way to speculate is buying higher graded slabbed coins. This has both a silver and numismatic value. Both can go up and down though. Then if you don't have to have physical silver there are EFT's.

Good Luck.

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 Posted 08/14/2011  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ICanSeeYou7687: Thanks! I'm thinking halves might be the way to go!

CPC24: Sorry to hear about your dad, but it's very cool that you've been able to add to the collection!

biggfredd: Thanks! I'm actually working on an Excel spreadsheet right now...hopefully I'll have the kinks worked out by the time I make my first purchase in a few days.

mkfarm: Thanks for all of the info! I have a couple of shops nearby that sell junk silver at or very near spot. Not sure about what they buy at, but I'm hoping I won't have to liquidate anytime soon. I like the idea that it's fairly easy to convert if I should ever have that need, plus should things go completely sideways it could have more barter value.

You also said: "Try not to get attached to bullion silver for speculation it makes it hard to sell. " - That is exactly what I'm thinking! I don't currently "collect" Franklin / JFK Halves or Peace dollars, so it would be easier for me to stick them in a tube and just see them as bullion investment. If I get into dimes and quarters, I'm going to want to dig through, find ones I need for books, etc. I want to keep this separate from my coin collection, so I think I need to stick to a type that I find nice enough that I don't mind having, but something I wouldn't mind liquidating if needed. Thanks!
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BW... collecting bullion is a nice hobby and one that has some practical aspects as well. I do that and have a few tubes of 1/2 dollars, Morgans, ASEs, and a roll of Roosevelt dimes as well. 90% US silver coins are pretty reasonable in price if they are just valued for their bullion.

Silver bars are also a good way to go. They are reasonably priced per oz. of silver weight and are easy to buy and sell. I prefer the ones that are plastic wrapped to protect them. The SilverTowne bars are attractive and widely recognized for their value.

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 Posted 08/14/2011  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ed_B: Very cool! I want to get to a point where I have at least a few rolls of silver here for bullion. I've been buying 90% coins, but mostly to fill albums.

I had a couple of silver bars (a 1oz and a 10oz) a while back but unfortunately (and stupidly) I sold them. I actually had this same plan waaaay back in like '99. Unfortunately, I only made it to the shop once before I got distracted by other things in life. I bought 1 10oz bar for about $40! I remember selling it off around 02-03ish because there hadn't been any movement and I was into other things...I basically got my $40 back. Of course it pains me to think that it would be worth 10x that now!

Also, I really wish I had stuck with my plan and picked up a 10oz bar every 2 weeks all those years ago...that $40 instead went to booze and dates. If I had stuck with the plan just for a year, I'd be sitting on about $10k worth of silver. Ugh...
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 Posted 08/14/2011  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrough to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually started to do something very similar to this plan about two years back. I quickly became hooked with collecting bullion coins and have since then moved almost all of my collection over to them. If you look in the right places alot of the bullion Australian and Chinese pieces you can pick up for spot plus a dollar two and turn them with heafty premiums.
Also if you look at auctions in your area (not sure where you are at but where I am there is alot) you can almost always pick junk silver at or below spot. I have also noticed some of the auctions I go to are now charing tax on coins which can eat into profits, but most of the estate/home auctions still will not tax you. I went to an auction yesterday and was able to snag 12 Franklin halves and One ASE for $170.
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 Posted 08/15/2011  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
murrough: That's very cool! I am pretty sure I'll continue my standard coin collections, but I definitely want to add bullion coins. Interesting about the auctions...I haven't looked into that thus far. Congrats on the Halves / ASE! Nice deal!
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 Posted 08/15/2011  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
90% silver coinage is a good way to go, although I would say diversifying can't hurt. Few bars, coins, etc. In the beginning I loaded up on bars, but looking back, its the coins that appreciate the most in value. My Canadian wolves, grizzlies, and lunar rabbits have gone up more then spot it seems and I'm pretty sure I will get more than spot when I decide to sell.

Also, I just sold a couple of rolls of quarters on craigslist, and had to sell just a bit under spot, but got more than what the dealers would pay. As someone mentioned, it is something to consider when selling.
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that $40 instead went to booze and dates

Well, at least it wasn't wasted!

Your experience has taught you a valuable lesson. That lesson is to buy what silver you can on a regular basis. This is what a lot of us here on the CCF try to do. Prices rise and prices fall but we still try to buy some here and there. It all adds up over time, too. This is how one amasses a "hoard". Like others here, I haven't been into collecting bullion all that long. Fact is, I only started last March. Since then, I have collected 158 oz. and have another 50 oz. on order for delivery in about 2 weeks. The main thing is to not buy a large amount all at once. Buy a little regularly. That will prevent you from buying in at a market top and will give you a reasonably averaged silver cost. After collecting for a number of years, you will be amazed at the amount that you have been able to collect and, most likely, at its increased value too.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think halves are a good idea. I like a variety though so I also like to get pre 65' quarter and dimes as well.
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Ed_B: "Well, at least it wasn't wasted!"

EXACTLY! LOL!

It's pretty cool that you've been able to hoard that much just since last March! Nice job! That's what I'm hoping to be able to do. And I completely agree with your incremental purchases instead of bulk. That's why I kick myself for not starting sooner, but oh well...can't worry about that now. I just have to do what I can from here going forward...

Ron2012Paul: Thanks and I agree. I'll probably add other denominations throughout, but I want to mostly pick up halves when possible. I'm thinking about getting a roll of dimes or quarters when I have a little money come in...we'll see...
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 Posted 08/16/2011  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the Junk silver is a good way to go in my opinion and I have purchased some halves (less wear and I can get them for the same cost as dimes or quarters) All denominations are good to have especially if our currency goes bad. One thing I have done is search halves, so far I have searched $3000.00 and found 16 silver halves (kind of free silver or at face value) I have done this with nickels as well. Nickels I keep all I search, halves return to the bank. One other thing to think about is the proof silver sets that right now can provide proof value/quality at very close to spot (just a little over at $40/oz) Just another idea that if silver goes down, you have numismatic coins not just junk
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 Posted 08/16/2011  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its funny you should mention this. Last time I went to my local coin shop, they had a guy who bought a 500$ face bag...a huge bag of silver... I asked the dealer, and he told me the guy comes in every few weeks and gets bags of the stuff...

Wish I had that kinda money lying around...
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