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1858 Flying Eagle Cent

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 Posted 08/29/2011  4:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jungliston1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all, just pick this Flying Eagle, cent up and not sure if its a RPD. Thank you for the help.
Edward M.

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Sorry I forgot , the reason Iam asking is the last 8 in the date. The bottom is straight instead of round like other pics. Thank you for the help.
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great pics, can I have full obverse and reverse to see if it's a known Snow variety?
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 Posted 08/29/2011  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's MD aka " Machine Doubling". It was common on the CuNi FE cents, especially in the date area.
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 Posted 08/30/2011  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm also suspecting MDD on the date.
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This coin is not listed in Rick Snow's guide.
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 Posted 08/30/2011  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A good rule of thumb is that RPDs on FEs, IHCs, always show a directional displacement and gaps between the overlapping digits.
Almost always the underlying digits are weaker because they were partially polished away. Here's a good example of a dramatic RPD:

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Hello, I understand that it is most likely MD. But what would cause the bottom circle opening of the last 8 to be squared, and not rounded like that of the first 8 or the top circle. All other pics I have seen online both are rounded. This one is straight on the bottom and right side.
Thank you for the help.
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I see that--and I'm unsure of the cause.
It might have something to do with the coin shifting against the die, which caused the other doubling.
Or, it could be post-mint damage to the digit. For a small fee, Rick Snow (linked above) will examine your coin and tell you.
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But what would cause the bottom circle opening of the last 8 to be squared, and not rounded like that of the first 8 or the top circle.

Good question. I haven't made a study of the dates of the FE cents but my first step would be to examine the dates of a few other specimens. The dates were punched in with a four digit logotype punch and the same punch should be used for all the dies in a given year. The punch would be made at the beginning of the year and would not change unless it broke sometime during the year. so it may be that all of the secon 8's of the 1858 FE cents may have that squared off bottom loop. If all of them don't then the question becomes does it come both ways? Suggesting the use of two different punches. If other examples of a squared off 8 can't be found then it becomes likely this die or coin suffered from damage, or it is a very rare die, or the coin is a counterfeit.

I not that the top inner opening of that 8 is also rounder than the oval opening of the first 8.
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