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Update #4 - Completed Circulated Classic Silver Commemorative Type Set

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 Posted 09/15/2016  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How low can you go!

That Illinois Statehood Centennial / Lincoln half dollar is quite a find - only the second time I've seen one in such a low state of preservation (the first was Not Mint To Be's example). Tremendous "lowball" coin!

Whenever I see the well-worn specimens you post, I wonder what the coin's artist/designer/engraver would think if they saw it. Happy that the coin's design can still be recognized? Disappointed by the loss of subtle details they labored over? Or simply fascinated by the way the coin wore down in circulation?

As always, thanks for sharing your set's progress! Based on NMTB's FR2 example, I would guess yours will come back AG3. Look forward to seeing it when it does arrive!


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Writing to share what I'm hopeful will be a nice downgrade for my Boone type coin .... my current set example is a 1934 dated coin certified as PCGS XF40 ... and was shown on a prior page.

I recently purchased the following 1936 dated Boone ... an example I believe (if authentic) will certify in the VF30 range.

Relative to authenticity ... there are quite a few scary good Boone counterfeits out there ... and I happen to be the owner of a circulated counterfeit 1935-D example that had me completely fooled.

The ebay seller of this coin has agreed to extend my return privilege until the PCGS Wizards weigh in with their views .... wondering what you think?

1936 Boone - VF30 (Raw)

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The coin is on it's way to PCGS .... we'll know the results in a few months.

David
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I like the circulation cameo on that Boone!! Adds some eye appeal!
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Very nice addition! I agree that its state of preservation is definitely lower than an XF-40 - should be a nice downgrade for you! The coin even exhibits a bit of the "Circulation Cameo" effect that we've discussed here in the past. I find such circulated coins visually appealing.

Thanks for the update!


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I am grateful to everyone who has indulged my passion for this unusual collection ... and have taken the time to read even a few entries in this albeit long running thread.

A special 'thank you' to our master historian/collector commems for the continued encouragement and kind words ... they mean a lot to me.

I believe that the best any collector can do is to find something that brings them joy to collect ... and has as well an element of challenge such that the eventual acquisition of the items brings great satisfaction as a result of the pursuit.

Such is my joy and passion for the circulated classic silver commemorative type set ... coins that were sold at a premium price upon issue and not intended for use.

With an appreciative nod to my other coin sets ... all enjoyable in their own right ... this 10 year pursuit of the circulated commemorative remains my true collecting passion ... and will likely be the only set that I own on the day I pass from this earth.

To the CCF ... many thanks for all of your kind words and support through all the pages of this thread ... hopeful that many downgrades are ahead for me ... keep your eyes open on my behalf.

Best - David

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Nice circulated Boones are hard to come by. Dovetail Gray :)
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That's for sure. Great find!
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...should be a nice downgrade for you!

That's not something you hear very often.
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The PCGS Wizards are still considering their views on the lowball 1918 Illinois (Lincoln) shown on the prior page ... I've now waited 44 business days on the 'economy' submittal rate ... hopeful that it someday makes it to the grading floor.

Good news is that the 'regular' submittal rate Boone was rendered a Wizards opinion relatively quickly ...

1936 Boone Bicentennial Half Dollar - PCGS VF25

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This is a very challenging coin to find in honestly circulated state. As a member of the 'commemorative craze' era there are a total of 16 different possible Boone date/mm/variety possible to collect ... and of that entire population of coins there are a total of 3 Boone graded lower at PCGS.

I'm thrilled to have this downgrade in my set ... and my prior XF40 type coin has been passed along to another member of our very small family pursuing this somewhat niche collecting effort.

Enjoy - David

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Congrats! It looks like you and PCGS "wizards" were in sync on this one. I very much like the look of this Boone.

I have to admit, my favorite coins in your circulated set are those that grade in the VF to XF range. I can still enjoy the design and artist's vision for the coin at those levels of preservation. I also like the overall circulated "look" of coins at those grades. Just my opinion, however, I know your passion is to go as low as you can for each coin.

Good luck with the continued quest! Thanks for sharing!


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Must agree. Love the commems but have no interest in seeing them in severely worn grades, no matter how rare.
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I know your passion is to go as low as you can for each coin.


The drumbeat that drives my low-ball collecting passion is the challenge of finding these rare coins ... coupled with the 'stories' of how they came to be ...

Readily admit that my particular style of collecting (low-ball) is not mainstream ...

Low-Ball Barber halves are one of my four low-ball collections (#1 on the PCGS Registry) ... and while I thoroughly enjoy the pursuit to improve (downgrade) that set ... they were minted to be used.

This pursuit of the classic silver commemorative in honestly circulated state is my true collecting passion ... they were not minted to be used ... and every honest circulated example (from the 'craze era') is a true treasure evoking great stories of how it came to be.

Such is the lovely 1936 Boone ... how did it come to be?

I'm hopeful that my humble words and dedicated pursuit of this particular passion might someday inspire another CCF member to go their own way and not follow the herd in collecting interest.

David

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Love the commems but have no interest in seeing them in severely worn grades, no matter how rare.


Then you are going to hate the following lowball example.

1923-S Monroe Doctrine Centennial Half - PO01 (Raw)


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I believe this example is a slam-dunk for PO01 once the wizards complete their evaluation. That would make it the 6th such example certified by PCGS.

There is some numismatic information available from these coins that cannot be readily discerned from their MS brethren ... evidence of the original morphology of the coins relative to levels of relief.

We have spoken about this in the prior pages of this long running thread ... on 12/3/2014 (Page 23) we had a fun discussion trying to figure out reasons why the 1921 Alabama rim wore at differential rates ... and on 7/17/2015 (page 26) I shared a comparison of the morphology of a PO01 vs MS Stone Mountain.

Sooo ... for fun ... let's do so again with this Monroe Doctrine. For comparison ... here is my PCGS MS64/CAC example:

Update-#4---Completed-Circulated-Classic-Silver-Commemorative-Type-Set

Be mindful of my 'assumptions' made during the Alabama rim discussion (Page 23) ... key here are that a coin with significant wear received that wear uniformly across all surfaces over it's lifetime and the points of higher relief wear first versus the points of lower relief.

Sooo ... for the 1923-S Monroe Doctrine half we can make the following points regarding original relief:

Obverse:

The legend IGWT in the left field is of higher relief than the conjoined Presidential busts

What appears as a planchet flaw at the jaws of the conjoined busts is in fact the lowest point of relief on the busts.

Only James Monroe eye socket remains as any detail of the conjoined busts ... and is in fact the lowest point of relief on the busts

The legend Monroe - Adams in the lower field is likely the lowest point of relief on the entire obverse ... but we need a more worn example to know for sure.

Reverse:

What appears to be a planchet flaw near the center of the coin is in fact a low point of relief where the North American figure is reaching out to the South American figure.

Interesting to observe that the top half of the North American figure and the lower portion of the South American figure are the lowest points of relief on the reverse.

Always great fun ... and learning ... to compare these tremendous coins between very worn and MS states.

Enjoy - David
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Wonderful example!

What's the grade of the current Monroe in your set?
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