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Update #4 - Completed Circulated Classic Silver Commemorative Type Set

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The certification of this York County finally completes a long held collecting objective of mine ... a complete 50 coin type set of classic circulated commemorative in honestly circulated condition.
A worthy accomplishment. Congratulations!

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The purpose of this rather lengthy post is to update the listing of the circulated classic silver commemorative that I defined as the 'stoppers' during our discussion in commems epic 'Days of Thread'.

For those newer members who missed the great fun (Sept 2014 - Nov 2014), the 'Days of Thread' hosted by our resident master collector commems can be found here:

https://goccf.com/t/187113

As a result of many years searching for these lovely coins in honestly circulated condition, I have arrived at a reasonable sense of their relative rarity in the market.

During the 'Days of' thread I designated five of the classic silver commemorative with the title 'stoppers' ... inferring that they were very difficult to obtain and might, in fact, never be found.

Looking back with some additional perspective ... that might be a bit of hyperbole since I now have a completed circulated type set ... although two of my 50 coins do not meet my internal definition of 'circulated' at XF45 or lower.

In that regard (XF45 or lower) ... I still have two 'stoppers' to go ... which may never show up.

Soooo ... discussed below (with photographs) is my current listing of the six circulated classic silver commemorative 'stoppers' ... I've added a new member to the listing since the 'Days of' thread ... listed in descending order of market availability (rarest is #1) based on my collecting experiences, supported by certified population data.

Note that all six 'stoppers' are members of what I called the 'commemorative craze' era during the 'Days of' thread ...

Hopeful that you enjoy the discussion:

#6: 1938 New Rochelle (NY) 250th Anniversary Half Dollar

Actually minted in 1937. There a total of 4 certified examples at XF45 or lower, all in PCGS holders. The current lowball is an amazing PCGS F12 example.

My New Rochelle is PCGS XF45 ... and the only one I've ever come across.

New Rochelle - PCGS XF45

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#5: 1936 Cincinnati Musical Center Half Dollar

Given the history of the distribution and initial pricing of this example ... it is amazing to me that any Cincinnati reached true certifiable circulated state.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the 4 certified examples at XF45 or lower (all in PCGS holders) were pocket pieces. The current lowball is PCGS VF20.

My Cincinnati is a Philly mint example

1936 Cincinnati - PCGS XF40

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#4: 1936 Elgin (Illinois) Centennial Half Dollar


Tip of my cap again to commems for his 'eye' to find this example for me at a show ... I recently acquired for a coin friend a raw example that hopefully grades in the XF40 range, and it was the only example I have ever personally come across.

Total certified population (all PCGS) is 3 examples at XF45 or lower. The lowball is my amazing PCGS G04 coin.

1936 Elgin - PCGS G04

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#3: 1935 Old Spanish Trail Half Dollar


Now we are coming into the really tough examples. The following three coins truly are the rarest of the 'stoppers' ... and could very well never be found by a dedicated collector.

The are a total of three certified Spanish Trail at XF45 or lower ... two PCGS and one NGC. The lowball is an amazing PCGS VF30 example.

1935 Spanish Trail - PCGS XF45


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#2: 1936 York County (Maine) Tercentenary Half Dollar

The final find for my 50 coin circulated type set ... recently acquired as discussed above ... my PCGS AU55 example, while rare indeed, does not meet my true definition of circulated at XF45 or lower.

In that regard ... this 'stopper' still has me stopped.

3 total certified examples at XF45 or lower ... 2 PCGS and 1 NGC. The current lowball is PCGS VF25.

1936 York County - PCGS AU55

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And now ... the ultimate classic silver commemorative 'stopper':

#1: 1936 Robinson-Arkansas Half Dollar


A one year type coin in a long running series ...this is the rarest coin in the circulated classic silver commemorative type set.

There are a total of 2 certified examples at XF45 or lower ... both PCGS ... and the lowball PCGS F12 is simply an amazing coin.

Like the York County ... I'm still searching for a truly circulated Robinson ... for now this example will do.

1936 Robinson - PCGS AU55

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Hopeful that you enjoyed this guided tour through the rarest of the classic silver commemorative ... please keep your eyes open for me!

David
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 Posted 05/30/2016  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another terrific and educational post about this fascinating way to collect classic US commemoratives. I always learn something from these posts!

I'll definitely keep my eye out for an XF Robinson and York County -- who knows when/where one will turn up! Always happy to help your pursuit!

Completing a type set such as yours is far more difficult than completing a mint state set of US commemoratives and thus truly deserves a "Tip of the Cap" for your dedication and perseverance! Congrats!

Now, about that circulated modern set?


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My vote for the #1 stopper would have to be the Spanish Trail. My guess is that there are some pocketpieces out there but they sure aren't showing up.
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Finding Circ Classic commems has really slowed down. Has anyone come across anything interesting.
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 Posted 08/17/2016  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing read through all of these pages! An excellent adventure. I am now interested in a classic commemorative type set as I found an album with slipcover at my LCS for $5. Maybe I will need to halt my world crown coins and focus solely on the US coin types... commems, 7070, silver proof quarters, and proof Presidential dollars. Thanks for this awesome post!
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Wow this is truly special
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Pleased to share a photograph and some information on my recent (hopeful) downgrade for the set ...

1918 Illinois Centennial (Lincoln) Half Dollar - AG03 (Raw)

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The coin exhibits lovely 'circulation cameo' surfaces that to my eye are original. It would be a downgrade for my present PCGS G06 type set coin.

I believe it is a slam dunk for a certified AG03 grade. The PCGS lowball is 4 coins at FR02 ... which would be a stretch for this example.

Give the Wizards grading variability on these seldom seen lowballs ... a topic I have spoken about ... it would not surprise me to see grades between FR02 and G06 ... although I believe with some experience in this series that AG03 is correct.

We'll know the answer in a few months ..

In the meantime ... I'm enjoying having a difficult to find downgrade for this challenging type set.

Enjoy - David
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 Posted 09/10/2016  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Not Mint to Be to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great looking lowball Abe. I have always liked the design of this commem and the more this one wears the better it gets.
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ckrakowski ... appreciate your interest in supporting my unusual quest.

The ebay coins you suggested are illustrative of the challenges faced by all of us searching for honestly circulated coins ....

The Columbian half dollar has no date ... therefore it can not be specifically identified as either an 1892 or 1893 example.

There are many coins that have worn beyond PO01 state ... this is one of them.

The Monroe half dollar has been cleaned ... and alas there are many well-worn circulated classic silver commemorative that have been abused at some point in their time.

The coins in my set are honestly circulated ... that is ... specifically identifiable with problem-free surfaces.

It is indeed a tough challenge ... and that is why this is a long running thread. LOL

David
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So it wasn't worth it to list them then? Sorry.
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