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1967 Kennedy Half With Cool Struck-Through Iron Piece

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 Posted 09/22/2011  01:35 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I got this half today at a bank. It has what looks like a piece of rusty iron embedded over the eagle's tail. The fragment seems to be struck firmly into the metal and I confirmed it is magnetic.

Does this look like a real error, and if so would it be worth a significant premium?

Thanks!

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 Posted 09/22/2011  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BJ Neff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at your picture there is one thing that makes me believe that the rust piece is sitting on top of the coin's surface and not struck through. As the piece of rust crosses out of the indent of the tail feathers and into the field, there is no delineation line on the anomaly. In other words, if this had been a "struck through a foreign object", you should see some contours to the object that is supposedly imbedded into the coin; that part is absent.

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 Posted 09/22/2011  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The photos leave me unsure about its authenticity. As BJ observed, we don't see the right edge of the tail feathers running through the iron fragment. The upper margin of the fragment seems slightly elevated relative to the rest of the design. Both of these would point to a piece of metal that stuck to the coin after the strike. At the same time, the lower margin looks flush with the design and separated from it by a fissure. That's an indication of a genuine struck-in fragment.

An in-hand examination would be required to resolve the issue.
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 Posted 09/22/2011  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is PM
Would think the FG initials would be affected
or at least parts of them showing up on the debris.
They seem to be fully struck and underneath the debris.
If a good chunk like that was on the planchet/die it should show weaker detail in any devices off to the sides of the fields. I.E.: the initials.
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 Posted 09/22/2011  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Obviously I'd prefer it were a real error and not something done to the coin outside the mint. I think I do see the outline of the right edge of the tail on the iron fragment. It is partially obscured by rust but does appear to precisely follow the correct curve. I can speculate that the original fragment has been rusting in place since the coin was first struck and that is why the struck outline isn't more clear.

I sent my photos to Fred Weinberg who has graciously commented on other possible error coins I've brought to his attention. He is traveling and should be back in the office next week; if he offers an opinion I'll share it here!

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 Posted 09/24/2011  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's probably bad form to keep commenting on my own post () but I'm intrigued by this coin. I understand the comments about the coin details not being struck onto the foreign inclusion. My guess is that this iron or steel fragment was much harder than the copper-silver planchet metal and therefore its metal surface did not flow into the die recesses during the strike. Instead the piece was punched into the coin surface without acquiring much detail in the process.

Nevertheless, I do see faint traces of the eagle tail feathers on the fragment. Here is a photo taken at an angle which I think shows these traces fairly well.

I've also contacted error and variety specialist Ken Potter about this coin and will report back when he provides his input.

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 Posted 09/24/2011  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rather than indicating the piece of metal was struck-in, it's possible that the flake of metal molded itself to the underlying design as the coin circulated. It's still a 50/50 proposition.
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 Posted 09/24/2011  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it's on top of the design rather than in it.
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 Posted 09/24/2011  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StJoeBlues to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see what could be tail feathers in the rusty metal. Is it possible that the "struck-through" piece is harder than the silver, causing a mushy struck? Add in 44 years of wear and rust and the design fades away.
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In the newer picture it looks to me like there is some of the tail feather design in the iron piece. Probably it's easier to tell in hand.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bump!
I decided to go for the current ANACS submission special (10 coins for $100) and needed one more coin to complete the 10. So, I threw this half dollar in. If ANACS decides it's PMD I'll accept their judgment and just add the coin to my 40% silver stash. Either was I'll report back when my submission is returned.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't trust any grading service to accurately evaluate an error of this nature. Foul-ups are commonplace, even with pedestrian errors.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't imagine how this damage could have occurred post mint. Sure, someone could have intentionally attached that piece of metal; maybe they did, who knows?

I'd be inclined to think this happened at the mint.

After all, look at how the lines on the tail feathers seem to follow along the steel piece. They match the lines on the coins.
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ANACS reports my submission is on its way back home. Their verdict on this coin is....
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 Posted 01/14/2012  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine error, per ANACS.

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It sure looked real when I just now saw it, and scrolling through the posts, I see it has been verified authentic as a strike through error! Very cool.

The reason I thought it was a good strike through error was; the tail feather lines in the metal followed the same relief as a normal metal clad coin would, obviously since the metal is iron or ferrous, it has rusted. There is no spot on the reverse to indicate this piece of metal was pressed into the coin, outside the mint on say a vice, or with pliers. The obverse hair area is full struck and shows no signs of damage. I've seen a few Morgan and Peace dollars with stuff like this in them, but never a more modern coin. Nice circulation find Jaobler!
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