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 Posted 12/08/2011  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yotie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
think I can agree with Acloco hope it is true this week end at the yearly local coin show
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 Posted 12/10/2011  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cinemabon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Considering the fact that most of us have been buying silver (and gold, for that matter) for some time and that silver has more than doubled it price since last summer (2010), I would say that things are looking up for the coin collecting community, both base value and numismatically speaking.

And speaking of numismatic values, I hope that the new Red Book (Whitman) reflects the rapid rise in values that has taken place over the past twelve months. Your collections once regarded as chump-change, gentlemen, are the stuff "that dreams are made of."
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 Posted 12/11/2011  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Mexico has opted for another choice in the past. Rather than a collapse, they have devalued their peso, making it worth about 25-30% less than it was prior to the devaluation. This seems like a more orderly mini-collapse. It's bad for anyone holding that currency but maybe not as bad as having the system totally collapse.

Slightly off, ma fren. In 1992, you got to trade in 1000 pesos for one neuvo peso. That's 99.9% loss.
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 Posted 12/11/2011  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't recall if they did the coins as well. Do you recall? Some have said when countries devalue by basically dropping zeros coins stay
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 Posted 12/11/2011  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They had to devalue the coins, considereing they were issuing 200 and 500 peso coins before the revaluation. If you search through dealer junk boxes you'll find tons of mexican coinage from before the revaluation since most of it is relatively worthless even numismatically.
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Slightly off, ma fren. In 1992, you got to trade in 1000 pesos for one neuvo peso. That's 99.9% loss.

I found no info on any 1992 peso crash. Everything seems to be about a 1994 "crash" where the peso went from 4 to $1 to 7.2 to $1 and then stabilized at 6 to the dollar after a $50B aid package was put together by Robert Rubin. While the US congress did not much like this deal, it was repaid on time and the US ended up making a $500M profit on it. Shrug.
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 Posted 12/11/2011  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
standard catalog of paper money lists these things.
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Interesting. I'll check on that.

My folks had some money in a Mexican bank that was paying them close to 30% interest. This was back in the early 1980s, IIRC. Shortly after hearing that they had made this investment, I read a Wall Street Journal article at work that said many Mexican citizens were sending their money to banks in Nicaragua. HOLY COW!, I thought. Nicaragua was fighting a civil war at the time. That made me sit up and take notice. What was it about Mexico that made its citizens prefer to have their money in a country that was in the middle of a civil war, rather than keep it in Mexican banks. I called my folks and suggested that they withdraw their money immediately. My Dad was convinced that it would be OK. My Mom wasn't so sure. A few days later, she withdrew their money without telling Dad. A couple of months after that, there was a substantial peso devaluation and most of the foreigners investing there took a financial bath. I suppose that the locals did too but didn't know any at the time. Dad was pretty glum about losing their money but perked right up when Mom fessed up about pulling the money out of there. After that experience, he let her manage the family money.
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My folks had some money in a Mexican bank that was paying them close to 30% interest. This was back in the early 1980s, IIRC.


The key to those high inbterest rates is peso denominated accounts.

If you were to put $100,000 into a $ account, you'd get a rate like 5%.

Convert that $100,000 to a PDA, and they'll pay you 30%. In a year, you'll have 130,000P, two years 169,000P, three years 219,700P, etc. You decide to take your money back, only to find that where the exchange rate was 1$:1P, the peso has depreciated 55%, so $0.45:1P.

No problem, you got LOTs of P. 217,900P*.45=$98,055.

? You earned 30% a year for three years and ended up with almost $2000 less than you started with! Just like the Mexicans who put their money in another country, the Mexican banksters were willing to pay you high interest rates, because they knew the money the paid you back would be worth a lot less than the greenbacks you gave them.
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Yep, such a deal. Personally, I would not have touched that deal with a stick but that was their idea of a great investment. It's not easy raising parents, ya know?
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Man, silver dropped below $30 overnight and I am itching to buy a bag of AU Morgan dollars. But I promised my wife that I wouldn't do any more silver buying unless it dropped below $27 or so. I have no idea if that will happen, but it has me on pins and needles waiting to see...
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Well I also told myself mo more silver I have enough probably to much but if it does drop to $27 this will be tempting as I do feel the Euro is doomed and when it crashes gold and SILVER will take off to new highs again.

So 40 more ASE would be tempting if it does drop even more today I will be watching it.
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A beautiful sight if you're in a buying mood:

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Not so beautiful if you were planning to sell, I suppose...

[Hmmmm... I just realized that this graphic is somehow being updated in real-time. So who knows what it will look like when you see it. When I posted it, it showed silver dropping $2.]
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Well I also told myself mo more silver I have enough probably to much but if it does drop to $27 this will be tempting as I do feel the Euro is doomed and when it crashes gold and SILVER will take off to new highs again.

An interesting thought and you could well be right about this. What concerns me, though, is that the Euro zone IS flailing now, yet all PM prices are getting hammered. One would think that a lot of Euro cash would be flooding out of stocks and bonds and into PMs as we speak and that this flow of cash would push prices up, not down. I know that markets are complex beasts and that they are often pushed and pulled in multiple directions at the same time but the recent PM price drop seems to defy common sense BIG-TIME.
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Part of the reason I think may have to do with the dollar rising. Everything pretty much was lower today
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