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Mmerlinn Must Own A Crystal Ball....

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So I asked Mmerlinn about two weeks back why he thought G @ S would pull back as we got close to October and he replied this below....


"Revisit what happened to the stock market this time of the year in 2008. This year looks like it could quite possibly be a repeat. If so, PMs should also repeat. Gold bottomed out at around $700 then after breaking $1000 a few months earlier. There is lots of support for gold at many levels below current prices. The "unbreakable" support is at $1000, but I don't see any way it could go that low.

Silver was not even on anyone's radar in 2008. Silver topped out around $21 in 2008, then in October bottomed around $9, less than half a few months prior. Similar scenario today puts silver under $25. There is extremely solid support for silver prices in the low 20s so not likely to go lower than that.

Regardless whether we see a major pullback next month, fasten your seat belts. You are going on a wild ride. Bush goosed the debt bubble and Obama added a turbo-charger to it."



We all do our fair share of speculating on the future, but that is one of the best spot on examples I can find of predicting the future. Well done Mmerlinn you were all over that....
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 Posted 09/23/2011  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, but I do not own a crystal ball. However, I do believe that if you take ANY action and repeat that action you WILL GET THE SAME RESULTS. In other words, HISTORY DOES REPEAT.

All I do is look at history, extrapolate it to the present, then run with the results. Am I always correct? Absolutely NOT.

This link (http://projectavalon.net/forum/show....php?t=5445) shows part of what I said in 2008, though the supporting thread has long since vanished into never never land.
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Fascinating to go back in time and read the thoughts an ideas of back then in that link, very interesting....

Yes, the history repeating itself, I totally agree with that, it is always bound to happen, esp when our government does absolutely zero since 2008 to fix the fundamental issues that has triggered this world wide fall perhaps....

Crystal ball or not my friend, I think your name suits you well....
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Exactly, the fundamental issues that have driven prices have not changed. The only change is the sudden realization that the rest of the world's fiat currencies are even worse than the dollar. This has caused a little bit of strength in the dollar.

Even with the credit downgrade, the USD is still the safest bet in the world's eyes. TIPS sell like mad.

Another month and the Fed will be more paying (printing)money to service debt. There are 100 billion dollars in $100 bills that are almost ready for prime time(the ones they messed up). Also, there will be another big TIPS sell.

"The current trend is in the beginning stages.

After some time, you learn how to deal with the day to day volatility in silver prices. It is an emotional battle that long-term investors understand boils down to value - and no matter the price swings up or down, silver will never entirely lose value, go bankrupt, or be nationalized."
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Gtallen, If I had enough spare cash to buy 100 oz. of silver right now, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger, so I do agree with all that....

The only thing that might make me hesitate is gold and platinum....

I just looked and platinum was setting at 1600 (gold 1642) even Steven, and I like even numbers, lol....
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I got into gold at $300-$400 range and sold it all in the $1400 range. Yes, I left money on the table. But $1000 an ozt profit felt really good at the time.
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In other words, HISTORY DOES REPEAT.

The description that I favor is that "History does not repeat... but it DOES rhyme. The meaning is that while history seldom repeats word for word there can be times that are quite similar to previous times. About the time we start thinking that history is about to repeat, look out!

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Ed, I like that saying a lot. Where did you hear it from?
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I agree with Price, that is a clever way of looking at it Ed, as every moment in time is unique to itself. But often like you said we see similarity's in repeating cycles....
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History WILL repeat EXACTLY if and ONLY if the same EXACT inputs happen. One "insignificant" different input will change the output, sometimes a lot, sometimes very little. Since no two people ever do exactly the same thing, the inputs are never exactly the same. Even if they did, even a different magnitude of a sunspot can change the output.

However, if you look at the overall picture, you can see the major inputs seldom if ever change. History then repeats as major inputs modified by minor inputs giving the same general results time after time.

Example are the financial markets. In certain years (like 1929, 1987, 1997, 2008, etc) the markets tumbled by almost exactly 40% in 56 days starting around the beginning of September. This year COULD be a repeat. Everything points to a bottom on Sunday, 23 October 2011 (manifested on the next day), at about 40% under the late August high. Will it happen? No idea. But soon we shall know.

However, if you look at the silver market now, you will note that it came close to $26 three hours ago in Hong Kong markets. That is almost 50% down from its highs a few months ago, and pretty close to the 55% percentage drop in 2008. So, it is quite possible this whole tanking issue could be over by the end of September. And that silver price is pretty close to the $22 I have been harping about for months. My GUESS is that when (if?) we see $22 silver, we will be near the current bottom. Again, we shall soon see.

Gold dipped under $1540 briefly 3 hours ago, too, far below the "smackdown" price promulgated on another thread recently. That, too, is getting within shooting distance of a bottom similar to 2008 where gold was down about 30%.
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Ed, I like that saying a lot. Where did you hear it from?

I'm not sure, Ian. I read a LOT of web sites and have for many years. It probably came from one of them but I have no idea which. Maybe a Google search would turn something up?


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History WILL repeat EXACTLY if and ONLY if the same EXACT inputs happen.

An interesting premise but is there ANY proof for it? Considering all of the inputs that any situation has PLUS the current state of the world and all of its factors, I don't see how this could ever happen. We are, for example, seeing a number of things happening in the metals markets that are similar to what was happening in 2008. OK, so far, so good. But the condition of the world, basically the context within which this is happening, is considerably different today than it was then. It would seem, therefore, that the same or similar stimulus given to a different situation would not produce the same result as it once did. Thoughts?


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And that silver price is pretty close to the $22 I have been harping about for months.

Harping? I found it quite interesting, actually.


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Again, we shall soon see.

Indeed we shall... and that WILL be the proof of the pudding.
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History WILL repeat EXACTLY if and ONLY if the same EXACT inputs happen.

Always easier to do post-hoc, since the historians can and tend to pick and choose parts of the whole story that fit the story they're telling.

predicting the future's never easy, I gravel at your prescience mmerlinn, an apt forum ID might I add, master merlin
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Hey Mmerlinn, Could you take a look in that crystal ball about Copper?
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Forget copper... Who is going to win the World Series?
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