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A Complete Type And Variety Set For 1816 US Coins

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 Posted 12/15/2022  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
thats awesome! I like the shadow box set up. well made, funny and attractive.
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 Posted 12/19/2022  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
That's absolutely awesome job of showcasing those 1816's.









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 Posted 12/20/2022  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pmint1 to your friends list
Why?
Why was the cent the only coin minted? What's the backstory?
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 Posted 12/20/2022  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
thats a great question. and I know the answer!

on January 11 of 1816 the building housing the mints rolling presses burned to the ground. this meant that precious metals could not be processed onto blanks for coining. copper blanks were being imported from England so the lack of rolling equipment didnt have any bearing on their ability to produce cents.
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 Posted 12/20/2022  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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thats a great question. and I know the answer!
Thank you for sharing!
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 Posted 01/27/2023  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Just saw this thread referenced on another and checked it out. Great job laying this out clearly. Now I have to pull my one and only 1816 and attempt to attribute. Thanks for your efforts.
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 Posted 01/27/2023  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
Impressive! Congrats!
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 Posted 01/27/2023  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
CarrsCoins let me know with this thread that 1816 was a special year.

This made me think of a departed CCF member, a few years back, who collected by year set. I think he lived in Minneapolis. He tried to complete date/mm coin sets by year. He taught me that the most difficult year for a collector to find in U.S. coinage was 1815. He was right because, although 1816 saw the issuance of just one coin, 2,820,982 were minted, making the 1816 cent available. There were 3 coins issued in 1815, the quarter with a mintage of 89,235, half dollar, the 1815/2 overdate with a mintage of 47,150, and the quarter eagle that had a mintage of 635 but only 11 examples are known. All 1815 dated U.S. coins are scarce to rare.

He also let me know that 1815 was the only year when the U.S. Mint did not produce a 1 cent denominated coin since inception in 1793.

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 Posted 01/27/2023  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
@ bump111 - when you get it figured out post it here or over in the varieties forum and ill be happy to confirm your attribution for you.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
OK, now mine...


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 Posted 01/28/2023  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
I took a close look at my 1816 cent today, but it is so grubby I can't really see the markers very well. It's porous and I'm wondering if it could actually be a counterfeit. I've all but given up taking photos of my items. Thought I had a handle on it a couple of years ago, but no.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
@ burfie - I dont recall having seen that one before. thats certainly an interesting one. have you worked out the source dies?

for anyone looking at burfies coin you can tell its not a legit 1816 by comparing the positions of the leaves under the D uniteD and S in stateS to the examples I provided. star 6 (counting clockwise starting at the left) is also to the right of the coronet tip and that is a feature that isn't on any of the 1816 varieties.

@ bump111 - there are plenty of variations I didnt mention. I will frequently end up noticing unlisted variations and using them for identification. the date positions vary a decent bit and can be used to narrow it down. all the letters on the back are individually punched into each die so their positions are unique on each die (even when they are pretty similar).
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 Posted 01/29/2023  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
@CarrsCoins 1833 N-5 large cent...
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 Posted 01/29/2023  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
that one is pretty frightening. I can see myself buying that at a coin show without thinking much of it. the aging on it is quite convincing.
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