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Hello, I'm trying to identify some medieval coins and any idea is very welcome. My knowledge on medieval coins is very poor.
Thanks a lot for your help!

1. Copper?, 13x10mm, double cross

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2. Copper or Bronze, 25mm, king and queen?

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king and queen?


#2 might be an AE Rezpenz of Bela III (Hungary), showing Bela and Stephen.
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Thank you Bob, I will search for it, knowing where to start now!
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#1 could be a billon quarting, also perhaps from Hungary. Maybe "Sigismund of Luxembourg"? I'm just speculating. Our medievalists will know, I'm sure.
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I think you are right again Bob! From 1387-1437, I read also the letters B A within the cross
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I read also the letters B A within the cross
I personally would read B L, with the medieval shape of L, but I'm not very confident.
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Thank you January, the image is not ideal but it's a Gothic style of A, used on the coins of medieval time
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I agree with the second letter not being an L, but I think that it could be a B, R, or perhaps A.


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Spence, The reason I'm saying A and not R is the small line that is connecting the A on medieval calligraphy type for A
i can see it clear at the coin, is not very clear at the photo

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These letters look the same or nearly so to me. If they are capitals I would guess K or R, as it looks like they both have a break in the base. Here is a slightly later coin (1475) which @spence knows, with the name KAROL showing both letters.
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If a small letter, I would have guessed n.
Probably a more definitive comparison could be made with examples on eddiediz' thread on Hungary denars (but I am too tired or lazy to go there)

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tdziemia, I have found a similar quarting coin with n, for sure is not an N

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The more I look, the less I know

If you go to the thread linked below on Hungarian denars, you can see a strong example of a mid-15th century B on p.3 post of 6/16/19, and an example of K in the post 7/14/2019. These are denars, with more space to execute the letters, but it looks like the B always has a sort of knob on the vertical stroke. There appears to be one example of a B with a break at the bottom (p.1, post of 8/19/2018)
http://goccf.com/t/323749&whichpage=3

Finally, a French coin of the late 15th century with the name RENATUS, showing that the R can look like a B, and the n can look like an R (again reinforcing that the more I look. the less I am sure of):

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It is a different style of lettering but thanks a lot for the link, it will help me with other coins I have.
My job is an artist, I'm working with details, the gothic letter A on the coin is having the left part with a thin line and the middle connector of Λ (-), that completes the letter A is with a more thin line, I study the coin a lot, it's an A :)
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not the perfect cutting but is to get an idea of what I see


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