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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 04/15/2013  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bekiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
today I had a very nice day ... BBQ with my family and friends ...
just discovered the drop ... looked at my stack, noticed distracted investors ... and going to go back and watch some movie

they can do whatever they want - but my stack will stay with me for the next 20 years!
dumb bull - that's it ))
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 Posted 04/15/2013  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arksun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure enough, the markup on spot price has gone up today in the UK, sadly this wasn't the case last night whilst those running those sites were asleep.

For example on TheGoldBullion UK website, last night(or this morning rather around 4am ish) the spot price was £938.32 and the cost they were selling a 1oz gold Britannia was £1005.78

Now that we're in working hours, the spot price last time I checked couple minutes ago was £925.42, but the price of a Britannia has gone UP to £1011.42.

In other words, early in morning they charged £67 more over spot and now they're charging a whopping £85 over spot!

Keep an eye on the spot vs actual sale price people, there's a lot of 'tweaking' going on right now with some websites.
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04/15/2013 09:31 am
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 Posted 04/15/2013  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I've noticed some bad behaviour from the BullionByPost website. Even for the 1/2 ounce coins I'm seeing premiums of 12.5% above spot.

They're also claiming to have sold out of most of their products. I can only assume that in order to limit their exposure to price volatility they only keep a relatively small amount of stock at any given time.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good morning my friends, I wish you all a happy Monday!

just a quick note here- price wise, it appears we could be running into our first level of support here in silver. lets see how the day goes as its still early. However, I want to note, seeing we broke 25 the probabilities are very high that in time we see 20 on the low end for silver.


I would expect either two things from here -a- markets continue to dump hard silver and gold b- or a retracement before another leg down. eventually the sellers will get exhausted.

Finally in the interests of full disclosure, I covered my line short in silver and am out for the time being. I continue to be long gold.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arksun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BullionByPost tends to be the most expensive yup, then GoldBullion Co. The best prices I've seen by far seem to be Atkinsons, they're currently selling the Gold Britannia at £989.95. I don't think Atkinsons update their prices as fast as the other sites though so, if the spot price drops even further and you wanted to buy from Atkinsons it would be best to wait till they show the change.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pricing up after a plunge is normal, sad to say, in the business. There is always a lag between the market and the street. So when there is a plunge like this alot of companies raise their prices because they know that sooner or later they WILL have to lower them and they are trying to make as much money as they can to cover those future losses. The problem is that the buyer from the street usually will reconsider buying when they notice the price going up. I stopped selling gold as a bullion product almost a year ago. Buying of bullion gold dropped to almost nothing in my market. Silver has still modestly been selling, but mostly in bags or rolls of 90%. Bars and Ingots are not doing so well, and haven't been. Most buyers of 90% are doing so with an eye to a potential collapse of the Fiat currency and want silver as a back up currency, in recognized denominations and purity.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not an investor, I just happen to collect gold and silver coins. I want to own a American Gold Eagle but I'm not moving unless we see prices dip below $1200/oz. I know that's a big ask but who would have thought the price could fall so fast in 2 days?

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 Posted 04/15/2013  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually the Mint's pricing regulations could work in our favor. If the price stays down and the mint HAS to lower their prices then it will cause a reduction of prices on the secondary market. Imagine if you will the mint selling proof silver eagles in $30 to $35 range. Or Gold Eagles in the $1300 range. The only way for the secondary market to compete would be to lower their prices as well.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arksun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another nosedive occuring right now... wow!
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpg22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a price drop many of us can't even buy on even if we wanted to. Dealers are not lowering prices on 90% silver. Dealers are holding back supplies of ASE's. The only things they are selling are items they buy on the cheap today from frightened sellers. Maybe it is different where you are but my LCS's have not lowered prices on Peace dollars, Morgans, 90% and claim to be out of ASE's. Now let's see if the mint lowers prices.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arksun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats one beauty of buying online with a debit card, whereby the price is frozen at that point of transaction, so even if the price goes up or they're out of stock, thats still what you will pay.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ironbrgde to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see how the drop in price will trickle down from dealer to the mint to the mine concerning physical PM. At any point in that process the precious metal could be stockpiled and production cease. If the mint has contracts to buy silver from a mine at $25/ounce, for example, why would they invest the cost to produce the coins then sell them to the wholesaler at a loss?
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My friends, this is normal price action in a downtrend, especially at yearly lows.

notice the VOLUME as well, indicating this is serious institutional and fund selling. These layers on the way down will turn into huge resistance (price wise) for gold and silver.

Again, if you are keeping track at home, please mark these days on a calender, these are key dates.

I'll post an update later near the close. In the meantime, lets PLEASE be careful if you are buying. NIBBLE only. right now is NOT the time and point to be buying, lower prices can be had... and remember, time and patience will be needed to let this move play out. Markets act on their own.

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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks yup7676! You are a godsend!

I tried to make a purchase whilst panicking in the middle of the night, but when I pressed the trigger button, the site went offline. When it went back up, premiums were higher. I will wait for the dust to settle & with patience, make a better deal/decision then. Trying to stay cool! ...
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yup7676,

Why should we mark these dates? What will it tell us going forward?
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