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Pillar of the Community
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If you are having an internal debate about whether to buy the MS69/MS70 or PR69/PR70 coins and cannot 1) grade coins yourself 2) have a deep store of knowledge about the series you are collecting and the market for that coin AND if you do not know how to properly care for and store coins, you should take a step back and do some research and introspection. I recommend reading this article: http://www.coinweek.com/commentary/...-be-enjoyed/Charles
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Quote: They do get a lower rate when you send in 100 or more its only 10 dollars a coin. Its also how they get all the 70s they sell since no one can pick out all 70s. So you send in 200 expect back somewhere from 50-100 70s which you sell at a premium and sell the 69s as well PCGS now charges $12 for bulk submissions. http://www.pcgs.com/services/bulksubmissions.html br / The other important point, is that bulk submitter can designate minimum grade (69 or lower) and not pay for those coins. So when you buy a coin in OGP from APMEX, you're getting grading rejects. Also, that's why you see so very few low grades.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Very true, I bet you can get better rates from PCGS than listed if your a large wholesaler who always sends in bulk lots too.
That is a good point about the minimum grade that a lot of people dont know about.
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Quote:The other important point, is that bulk submitter can designate minimum grade (69 or lower) and not pay for those coins. So when you buy a coin in OGP from APMEX, you're getting grading rejects. Also, that's why you see so very few low grades. I understand a bulk submitter can send in 1,000 ASEs and tell PCGS they only want the ones that grade 69 or higher to be slabbed.. but are you also saying the submitter doesn't have to pay the grading fee for any coin that scores 68 or lower?
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Pillar of the Community
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The submitters still has to pay for the rejects, but they do not have to pay the full grading fee, because it does not have to go through the full process. I think it is $5 for coins that don't meet your minimum grade.
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United States
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70's are the latest and greatest hype. Realistically speaking, there may well be no objective difference between a 69 and a 70. Grading at that level is as much art as it is science. The 70 thing is a stock market craze. Get on board low and sell high. Like most hype, it will die down eventually. It is an attempt by dealers and TPG's to create scarcity, and thus drive up prices. If 70's are your bag, have at it, and have fun. Seriously. But I have a suspicion that down the road a 70 in a series that has a million plus in mintage isn't going to be all that valuable compared to its brethren. Sure, in some case, they'll be worth more due to 'conditional scarcity' but this mad rush to have everything graded a 70 won't last, because in the long run, scarcity is determined only in part by condition, other things, like mintage, wear (for a poorly designed coin), the amount held by collectors (think of coins struck specifically NOT to be circulated), as well as initial cost will determine the market value down the road. Personally? I don't bother with 70's. If the right one came along at the right price, then sure, I'd buy it - but that's my attitude with any coin based on grade - the right coin at the right price. It could be an XF, an AU, an MS-63, whatever. I let the specific coin I am looking at determine what I'm willing to pay.
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Quote: The submitters still has to pay for the rejects, but they do not have to pay the full grading fee, because it does not have to go through the full process. I think it is $5 for coins that don't meet your minimum grade. http://www.pcgs.com/services/bulksubmissions.html
- If 60% of the coins submitted meet or exceed the minimum grade, each holdered coin will be charged $12. The coins that do not meet your minimum grade will be returned to you unholdered with no charge.
- If less than 60% of the coins submitted meet or exceed the minimum grade, each holdered coin will be charged $12 while the unholdered coins will be charged $5 each.
With the improved quality of most numismatic issues, I suspect they nearly always meet the 60% threshold.
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@cc99999 The link you posted was good. I understand what the guy is trying to say. But like I have said before, when I first joined this site, I said that I don't want to sell my coins. That website was more about people who buy coins to sell, not ones who are buying because they enjoy them. But I did in fact try to think of what modern coins would rise in value later in like 10 or 20 years. The coins that did shoot up crazy were Jefferson nickels.
Edited by solotime 05/15/2013 11:54 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: With the improved quality of most numismatic issues, I suspect they nearly always meet the 60% threshold. Do you think ? If I sent in a monster box, do you think I would get back 300 MS69's and MS70's ?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Id actually bet youd get more than that out of it. The threshold seems to be more for bulk submissions of older coins.
Now if you sent in the 5 star general ms half you may not, but thats the exception not the norm
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United States
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Quote: Do you think ? If I sent in a monster box, do you think I would get back 300 MS69's and MS70's ? Maybe not, but you'd get very close. Even so, you buy monster boxes full at $25/oz. The MS70 go for $70, MS69 for $40, and raw for $28. There is plenty of room to make money there, even if you you had to pay $5 for a few to meet that 60% threshold.
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Valued Member
United States
377 Posts |
Quote: Nor most true collectors I Take that as an insult I have been collecting since age 15 and am now 67 and feel I am a true Collector and I Love 70s especially in the Silver Eagle
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Valued Member
United States
307 Posts |
I think they should add a 71 grade for those super-nice 70s
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CCF Sponsor
United States
702 Posts |
Personally, certain coins - especially proofs, I feel are fun to have in 70. There's just something about holding and looking at a coin that's flawless.
I prefer to cherrypick raw 70s than to buy graded ones, but that's me. It's not that easy to do, but the hunt is fun.
I certainly don't get hung up on having a 70, but I've seen 69s that are really 67s and I've seen 69s that are so 69 plus that are worth having to me.
I'm sure the registry set folks have different reasons - and there's nothing wrong with those reasons in my book though I don't collect like that - but mine is just because there is something quite incredible about having a very-nearly-flawless coin coin in my hand, especially if its a design I love. : )
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: What do you think of the grade "70" I think it's a myth created by TPG's to take money out of your pocket and put it in theirs.
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