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What Do You Think Of The Grade "70"

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 Posted 07/19/2013  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The idea these days that the opinion of PCGS is better than the opinion of NGC is just ludicrous to me. The grades assigned are just the opinions of IMPERFECT people. I prefer NGC because I like how their slabs have more of a museum quality about them. That's it. I put together a complete Ike set in PCGS slabs just to add some variety to my collection. That's it. My reasons are simple. As for the 70 grade. I will buy these over 69s if the price difference isn't too steep. I'm talking like no more that $30 or possibly $40.
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 Posted 09/02/2013  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justkeepsearching to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a fairly new collector, and at 17 I have absolutely no care whatsoever for newer graded coins whatsoever, I don't want anything to do with them. To me, the only reason I would want a slabbed coin would be if it was a rare die variety like a 1972 DDO, or an old valuable coin that I wouldn't want to acidentaly be damaged by someone touching/scratching it (1922 plain, 1909s vdb, 1955 DDO, etc), although I don't think I will be getting my hands on any of those soon with my budget lol.

However I will never judge others on what they want to collect and how they want to collect them, it is just that newer coins aren't my thing, to each his own and happy collecting, as long as you have fun with it I will be happy for you.

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 Posted 09/02/2013  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some of my 70s coins, I would normally never buy them, but I got them for a better deal than anyone would imagine.

Http://www.imgur.com/a/XFWvX
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 Posted 09/02/2013  05:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL I do find threads like this interesting! The coin market is just .. so different here in the UK!

OK, people do buy slabbed coins. We even have our own UK TPGS (although to confuse(?) things, they grade to an 100 point scale, not 70.

But generally there's not much of a market for slabs with most collectors breaking the coin out as soon as they get it. Of course, US TPGS aren't (as) experienced with UK coins as US ones. There are bargains (or pitfalls) to be had for mis-attributed coins.

Sure, we argue as much about grades as you guys, because this is the real world and the better the condition, the more a coin will generally cost. But in the end I think grading is just an opinion.

You might use microscopes, computers and a panel of experts but in the end a coin is more than how much wear it has. Even modern coins have weaknesses and quirks from being struck. And those a few years old can get toning or damage that makes a coin either a nice example or really unattractive. Spots may not affect the grade (in terms of wear) but can make or break attractiveness!

When it comes down to it I think in terms of 'eye appeal'. Is it a nice coin? A good example of the type? OK then.

I do worry that your market is overly grade driven. I guess as others have said, where there are thousands of coins then there needs to be some way of keeping interest going and the scarcity of 70s over 69s is one way of doing that. But I guess it works for most and those like matthewvincent who aren't into it still manage to collect, so it's all good!

Makes threads like this most interesting to me and I do enjoy reading everyone's opinions so, thanks All!
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 Posted 09/02/2013  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't believe any coin is absolutely, 100%, undenyably perfect without any inperfection whatsoever. nothing in this world is "perfect". It's a state that lets us strive towards bigger and better things and lets us know that there's always something better to work towards. I'd be willing to bet that since kids we've all been hearing: "Just do your best, nobody's/nothing's perfect". Well mommy wasn't lying.. Wether coins, showing an animal, fruit a the fair, a haircut, a car, a book, a job, painting, a drink.... anything... Its not "perfect", there is always something that could be improved. Why would coins be any different?

I suppose the argument could be made that things people call/grade perfect (coins, bills, comic books, fruit, chickens etc) are as close to perfect as you can get. But there's such a fine line between 69-70 and it all depends who's looking at it giving the grade. What's perfect for the guy at a TPG may not be perfect to you.. Or me.. Or the next person. Heck, even the same grader at a TPG looking at the same exact coin a month later may have called it perfect the first time around and call it a 69 the second.

I've seen pleanty of 69's that haven't a flaw, and many 70's that 100% do not deserve the grade. Even in PCGS slabs, whom I also agree grade stricter than the others.

Nobody would dream of cracking out a 70 and resubmitting it.. And why is this? Because plain and simple there's a very good chance it will not come back as a 70. As mentioned grading is subjective... Each individual person doing the grading will view the coin differently, as each of us do/will. Even with set in stone standards in grading/TPG's everyone will still judge a little differently.

We here strive to help new collectors, and constantly say to "buy the coin and not the slab"... But by saying you wouldn't dream of cracking out a 70 and resubmitting it your basically saying you know there's a good chance it may not come back a 70 and hope someone buys it (if/and when you or eventually your heirs, ever sell) due to what the slab says? Isn't this contradicting buy the coin and not the slab? You paid a premium for a 70 that may or may not be a 70 and when the time comes for someone to sell it nobody wants to take a loss.

If I submit a modern coin do I hope it comes back a 70? Well sure.. But not because I believe it's 100% unconditionally flawless, but more just for the fun of it, because I know that if I resubmit the same coin again theres a good chance it won't come back the same. And as far as buying already slabbed goes.. When it comes to 69's/70's I will not do it online, I want the coin/slab in hand to judge for myself what that coin may be, which has better eye appeal. And honestly I like some of my 69 ASE's better than my 70's... To me they have more eye appeal and look more "flawless".... And they were cheaper to boot...

I would never dream of telling someone what or how to collect... You want all 70's... No problem, that's absolutely your choice. But just knowing that a 70 today may not be a 70 tomorrow keeps me from spending huge premiums on them. Using the $86,000 ASE for example... If one were to crack one of those out and resubmit it how good are the chances it will return a 70? What gets to me is that nobody would dream of doing that, but in turn there hoping that if they ever sell it people will buy the slab and not the coin..
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We even have our own UK TPGS (although to confuse(?) things, they grade to an 100 point scale, not 70.


So you do believe in graded 70s .


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When it comes down to it I think in terms of 'eye appeal'. Is it a nice coin? A good example of the type? OK then.


I agree with that completely and I'm someone who believes in graded coins. At the end of the day though I do think great eye appeal can lift a coin up a grade or two in the MS range they may be a little weak technically or borderline. Id also take a vf coin over an xf one any day if I liked the look of the vf a lot better.


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But by saying you wouldn't dream of cracking out a 70 and resubmitting it your basically saying you know there's a good chance it may not come back a 70 and hope someone buys it (if/and when you or eventually your heirs, ever sell) due to what the slab says? Isn't this contradicting buy the coin and not the slab? You paid a premium for a 70 that may or may not be a 70 and when the time comes for someone to sell it nobody wants to take a loss.


I would disagree with this a little bit. I do agree not every 70 would come back one but it could also be for how it was stored or milk spots that showed up or you damaged it but that wasnt really my disagreement anyway.

What I disagree with is I dont think people dont crack and resubmit for fear of not getting back a 70, but rather because theres no real point. Resubmission is almost always hoping for a higher grade and if you already have the highest possible its pointless to me. I could see having some of the more expensive ones transferred to like a secure plus holder but other than that youre basically spending money to resubmit to get back exactly what you started with in the best case scenario.
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