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Looks like this will be a fun trip.  |
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Just like DavidUK, I have a bunch of nice 17th and 16th century stuff (still looking for the oldest dated Russian coin, 1596... that's not actually an AD date though), but nothing from the 15th century or earlier.
My oldest AD dated coin is from 1517 (then 1521, 1532, 1566, and 1600 - I also have a Russian 1597 that's not in AD calendar).
So I'll just be a spectator. But I'd love to see all of those early coins anyway.
(Where did louie go? He appeared for three posts in the linked thread and hadn't been seen on CCF before or since.)
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@pepactonious, @numisma, @typecoin, @daviduk, @jbuck, and @january1may, glad to have you all as spectators with Ron and Bob, but I was kinda hoping for some help with this project! As far as @louie goes, it looks like he signed in for just a few days earlier this year with lots of talk about how many of these coins that he has, but as far as I know, he hasn't posted any to CCF. It would be nice to get him participating too.
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Here is a half groschen of the German Archbishopric of Mainz dated 1493 (Levinson I-303). The diameter of this silver coin is 20 mm and the mass is 0.8 g. The obv legend is BERT ARCH IPS PRINC ELE and the rev legend is S PET A POST 1&93. At some point later in time, the modern numeral four took shape. As I have noted previously, most of the early dated coins of Mainz are super-rare, with only one variety likely available in a quantity exceeding 100 pieces. Levinson describes this particular coin as R2, meaning there are between 11 and 20 collectible coins extant. My coin has a somewhat uneven strike and is missing a significant amount of detail, but this is the only one that I have seen for sale, so I decided to jump on it a few years back. Here is a link to my earlier thread: https://goccf.com/t/255282  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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how many there are from before the 1490s. I'll continue with this Groschen from the German City State of Aachen. It was minted in 1420 and is one of my oldest European dated coins. It is 25 mm in diameter and 1.5 g in mass. The attribution is Levinson I-15. This basic design was used at Aachen from 1372 through 1490 AD inclusive, although only in about a quarter of those years. For those of you with super-sharp eyes (I'm thinking of you @BobL), this coin is my avatar. The obv inscription is SCS KAROL MA G IPERATO and the rev inscription is ANNO DOMINI MILESIMO CCCC XX and MONETA URB AQVS. I had previously written about this coin here: https://goccf.com/t/253518  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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I would like to say that my vision for this thread was not to define a topic so narrow that I'm the only one who can post. If the general consensus is to not move forward as the topic is of limited interest, then I'm fine stopping. Otherwise, I'll try to post some of the coins from my collection and hopefully some collectors of similar coins will trip onto this thread at some later date and we can do a second edition with broader participation.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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I know not a lot of people will be able to post in this thread, but I'm still interested in seeing what shows up. Even if you're the only one, so be it. I don't think there's any reason to stop.
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I have one from 1498, but it's from section II of Levinson, so it'll have to wait for next week.
Part of the problem is that this thread has to be in the "ancients" subforum, where not so many people will see it.
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I don't think there's any reason to stop. Ok cool--I'll keep them coming! @pepactonius, I'm looking forward to seeing your contribution next week. Here is a half-schilling of the German Imperial City of Noerdlingen. It is dated 1497 and attributed as Levinson I-368. It is a little smaller than some of the previous coins at 1.1 g and 21 mm. The obv inscription is MONETA NOVA NORDLING 1&9^ and the rev inscription is MAXIMILIANVS ROMANOR REX. Interestingly in this coin, two of the numerals in the date (four and seven) are formed in the obsolete shape, although it is a little hard to see as this part of the inscription is unfortunately quite worn.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Ok cool--I'll keep them coming! Good choice. |
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I don't think that I have posted this style of early dated European coin yet. This is a Groschen of the German Archbishopric of Cologne. It is dated 1438 and is 24 mm in diameter and 2.0 g in mass. It was minted in Riehl and the attribution is Levinson I-44. Obv inscription is THEOD ARCPI COLON (which is a minor variation from the Levinson example) and rev inscription is ANO DNI M CCCC XXXVIII. Gotta know your Roman numerals! This guy really called to me due to his superior condition. It has been my observation that un-dated coins of this same basic style are quite common: Trefoil or quatrefoil with various German cities' shields on the obverse and then Saint Peter with a staff and key on the reverse. Figuring out which city shield is on a particular coin can be tough if the coin is more worn as these are among the first details to be smoothed away.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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It took me a while to figure out the date on this one.  Very nice! |
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Here is a Koertling from the German City of Goettingen. It is a little smaller, coming in at 1.2 g and 21 mm. The attribution is Levinson I-250a and the date is 1490 AD. The obv contains the inscription MONE NOVA GOTTING around an octofoil with the letter G in the middle. The rev has the same letter G (this time on a cross) plus the inscription ANNO DNI M CCCC XC. @jbuck, again with the Roman numerals... Just as Aachen minted groschen over a large number of years, Goettingen minted these koertling between 1429 and 1500 (and likely beyond, although that is outside the scope of this thread), with over 25 of those years represented. One year that is not represented is 1410, despite there being a variation of my coin (Levinson I-250b) with a date of M CCCC X--it is an error minted in 1490 AD also.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Last day for dated German coins! I'll try to post a couple more distinct types for your review. First up is a Horngroschen of the German Duchy of Saxe-Wittenburg. It is dated 1468 and is nicely sized at 28 mm and 2.6 g. The attribution is Levinson I-119. Obv and rev seem to be almost identical until you look a little closer. Obv inscription is E A D G DVCS TUR L MARCH HIS 68 and surrounds an ornate helmet of Saxony resting on a shield of Saxony. Rev inscription is W D G DVX SAX TUR L MARCH HIS and includes a helmet of Thurlingen resting on a shield of Thurlingen. Both inscriptions include a "cross in square" mintmark indicating Freiberg as the mint. The uneven-ness of the wear on this coin seems to me to be pretty common of this series. Sometimes you will see one with the date obliterated and other times the date is the only part of the legend that is readable. On this particular coin, the six and the lower part of the eight are visible, but the upper part of the eight is pretty much gone. I picked this particular coin to show as the central devices are quite clear and the difference in helmets and shields is quite evident. According to Levinson, Saxony issued more types and denominations of early dated coins than any other German state. Starting in 1465, Saxony minted coins for nearly every year up through 1500 (although there were also coins minted in 1457). In some years (like 1468--the date of this coin), two separate Saxon mints were pumping out coins.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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