New... Dan Carr 1964 Morgan Dollars!

A 1936 proof set, for example, is a "manufactured collectible". But take "Beanie Babies" for example. That is the "poster child" for an over-saturated collapsed market. You can not connect any particular Beanie Baby with any particular artist. The maker of it is anonymous. How many were made ? I don't know, but the quantity was huge. A Beanie Baby with a production quantity of, say, 250 would be considered extremely rare. At one point, it is reported that a full 10% of all ebay sales combined for all categories, were Beanie Babies.




It is not at all "sad" that a collector would prefer the work of one artist over another. That is entirely their prerogative.

My "1964-D" over-strike Peace dollars were disbursed seven years ago now. Where is the supposed "damage" ? They routinely sell for about $500 on ebay now. And they tend to sell for a somewhat HIGHER amount when "Daniel Carr" is stated in the auction title.

Seriously

I said I wasn't going to comment but I will address these 2 replies.

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I should have been more specific & can see how that could have been misinterpreted. I was referring to the 2 separate articles published by Numismatic News & Coin World(?) about Big Tree that were referenced in this thread and not every article of every publication. I doubt it's a coincidence that you question that particular aspect of that article.

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Seriously? There are plenty of coins being produced that have fooled numismatic experts. Those are the type of coins I would consider produced by someone reasonably competent. I could argue that the coin you linked to wasn't produced by someone reasonably competent. I could also argue that the producer of that coin engraved it that way as a form of artistic expression....

Yes. I would call it an altered can medal. A hybrid if you will. Just like I would call this an altered nail dime

That nail dime is nothing more than mint sport and is simply a numismatic "Curiosity" and I find it quite weird that PCGS actually graded it.

The method of manufacture is illegal, Not inconsequential.
What on earth has this to do with the Carr restrikes anyway?
This is Nothing like a carr restrike as the majority of the host is still intact and very easily recognisable as being a nail.
The same cannot be said about Carrs stuff because the host is 99.999% obliterated..

Just because the US authorities are not pursuing this mint sport nail doesn't make it a "kosher" mint product or error.
It is what it is and that is a Mint Sport.
Pretty much the same thing applies to Dan Carr's restrikes.
Just because the US authorities are not pursuing these does not make these "Kosher" either.

Thank you for adding this nail dime to the discussion as it is a great example of how something that is so obviously illegitimate can be seen as a genuine article just because some idiot TPG decided to grade it.

Addressing something mentioned above

If someone in country X were making what Daniel does, and doing as good of a job at it, I still would have wanted them the ones I have. I don't doubt that in the least. The word "counterfeit" never even entered my mind when I first saw these overstrikes since they are not actual dates and MMs the mints ever made.

I once found a Magicians coin made from two JFK halves while roll searching. These altered coins are typically used for a magic trick called "Scotch and Soda." Someone who had seen it before me wrote the word counterfeit on it with a marker. They had no idea what it was, so maybe they noted it has a dull thud when dropped instead of a ring?

Is a magicians coins a counterfeit? What about all the two headed quartet, etc. that have been made and sold forever? These are novelty items made from legitimate, altered US coins. Certainly, finding these in circulation as I have while roll searching (about ten total), someone at some time took accepted them as normal coins. We DO see posts about these Magician's coins here on CCF. And when the newb finds out what it is, I don;t recall any of them ever being disappointed about being suckered.

So far we have not see or heard of these overstrikess causing any trouble. I would think if these were a factual problem we would see newbies posting to CCF asking, "Hey, I paid a bundle for this silver dollar, but cannot find the date listed anywhere in a book - what is it?"

There also are no posts from newbs about Edward III coins either. Which I am having trouble not seeing as being in the same category of being fantasy coins.

From the record of published overstrikes at Daniel's website, it seems the Eisenhower overstrikes were the earliest being made in May-Oct 2011. At present, I don't know of any post from someone questioning why they cannot make a positive ID on their 1970 or 1975 Ike dollar. I have never seen anyone asking why they have a 1975 Bicentennial when they were only made in 1976.

However, I do know see more and more posts from people discovering these items - collector awareness is growing.

Another thing I notice is that it is very hard to get any of these overstrikes the farther back they were made. It seems when people have them, they don't want to let go. This also lessens the chances of someone being suckered by being willing to throw away their money without checking the facts.

I did not add up all of the mintages, but did a quick estimate on just the Ikes and found Daniel made about ~1000 total.

After seven years, I have heard a lot about people wanting the Ike overstrikes, but have not heard of anyone being taken by one. Granted, I am only one person who is on a couple of forums, so I ask if anyone else has ever heard of someone mistaking one of the Carr Ike overstrikes as a legitimate coin, specifically if they have been ripped off concerning one?

"What ifs" can make for long discussions, but "what ifs" are not quantifiable.