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Lorraine 1/4 teston 1513. My earliest dated coin with a monarch's portrait.

I forgot to comment on the Lorraine coin that there is a rather interesting rendering of the letter R in "BAR" at about 10:00.

Since I am rich in coins from 1513, I will post another, Regensburg 1 Batzen. Similar to Saurma 1043. On the reverse is St. Wolfgang, who was bishop of Regensburg from 972 to 994, canonized as a saint in the mid-11th century, and is the patron saint. Reverse legend S WOLFGANG ORA PRON (St. WOlfgang pray for us).

Sorry for missing yesterday's post, but am glad that others covered for me. Here is my Lithuanian 1/2 Groshen dated 1512 AD. I believe that it can be attributed as Huletski 40AC (Kopicki 3137).

Thank you.



Yes, I saw the "pinocchio variety." Very interesting!

My recent involvement with the forum inspired me to connect with Numista in some areas where my collection is strong, so I added 16 new entries for Lorraine, and 5 for early (pre-Burgundian) Brabant. Their Burgundian Netherlands section is fairly strong, and Poland is VERY strong, so I probably do not have much to contribute there.

Antoine issued testons and 1/4 testons most years between 1512 and 1544, so it's a good source of dated coins the early 16th century for a region that would later become part of France. Oddly, the next (later) duke issued mostly undated coins.

Lithuanian half-groat 1511 with three annulets at the end of obverse legend. 39O in our book.

Unaccountably this thread had lately been suffering from a serious underabundance of non-AD dated coins.

I'm not sure whether this will be the last coin I post in this thread; in fact, I very much hope it won't be. We still have about two or three years before the Fifth Edition catches up, after all.
But at the moment, I don't have anything more to post until we reach the early 14th century. (Not unless my undated Nürnberg coin from ca. 1457 was really only made in 1457, anyway.)






Shirvanshahs, Derbendi dynasty, Ibrahim II.
AR akche (12 mm), 917 AH (1511 AD).

I have no idea to what extent the rest of the attribution (which, aside from the size, is entirely from the holder) is correct, but the date (917) can clearly be seen at 5 o'clock on the last image.

I bought this coin (for $3, chosen from a large stack of identical holders, all with the same date) at the COINS show in 2017, aka "the big Moscow coin show".
Hope to visit COINS again in September this year... hopefully earlier than an hour before closing this time! And preferably with more money.

Good idea--I think that this would be fascinating!

I wonder if Daniel Carr would ever consent to making an Ike dollar dated 1513.