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1979 Canadian Cent With No Beads?

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About 10 years ago I purchased $25.00 worth of 1979 original bank rolls at a $1.00 a roll.
When searching about 3/4 of them I ended up finding lots of things MS-67, 15 MS-66 with all the DP parts of the date the best being DP 979 I also found this one with only a few beads around the rims obverse and reverse.

What would have caused this to happen all comments welcome.

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Did you weigh the coin?
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No funny thing I never ever thought to weigh it before just weighed it now its 2.7gm
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The 1979 pennies weigh 3.24 Grams. and have a diameter of 19.05 mm.

The lighter weight of yours would account for the lack of beads.
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wrong or small planchet perhaps? very interesting
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yes very interesting to know
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I did a little looking around on the internet of what other coins Canada minted in 1979 one that kind of fit this coins discription was a 1979 New Zealand cent that weighed 2.05g I wonder maybe a foreign planchat?
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Nice work papeldog...so this cent is definitely "a keeper"..
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The tolerances for weight is quite large... it could be struck on a Barbados bronze 1 cent planchet.

Or, it just could be a planchet struck on a strip that was rolled too thin, or near the end of a bronze strip whereby the thickness tapered out. For some reason, thin planchets are relatively abundant from 1979-1981...
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So what would be the best way to find out about if it is a wrong planchet apposed to a thin or tapered planchet Should I send it in to get graded (PCGS) as it is a nice high mint state coin regardless what kind of error coin it is.
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not to mention struck through some grease?. to get the composition cheked you need to have it XRF'd just msg spp, he always loves a chance to use his toys.
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...should I send it in to get graded (PCGS) as it is a nice high mint state coin regardless what kind of error coin it is.


As SPP has said in the past...PCGS charges a lot more for "Error" coins..and shipping and ins..+ +..etc..

So my vote would be a "no" and maybe wiser to get it properly graded locally..



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If it was my coin, yes I would send it to PCGS. But then again, I have a bias for really nice high grade 1c errors.

The trick is - try to determine what it is before you send it - or it will just come back as "struck on a foreign 2.7 gram planchet"... or "struck on 2.7 thin planchet"

What is the diameter of the coin? What does the edge look like - rounded (weak to no collar) or square (full collar), etc...
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Admitting that I don't know a whole lot about this type of error coin other than I know its not normal to the eye. But under the supervision of others especially SPP I am learning I think. The coin is the same size as a regular 1979 cent if any thing it might be a little smaller hard to tell, it seems to be about 1/2 cm regular coin 1 1/2 cm so a lot thinner, it has a bit of a slightly raised rim higher in some area's than other areas where it seems to fade away looking at it on edge looks flat but very thin.
So I'm leaning toward a thin planchet error coin high grade MS-65-66 at least.
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Digital micrometer callipers are cheap, and essential (along with a good digital scale and magnet) for anyone diving into errors...

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/150mm-6-Digi...321789819006
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CT has digital micrometer callipers often on special at $9.95...just watch for the specials...

Any post office should be able and willing to tell you the weight..(metal plate..so place a slip of paper under it)
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