1652 New England 3 Pence?

300 Posts on the three, wow.

Also I agree with numisma here, that coin shows little to no resemblance to OP's

Special to read that my coin resembles the Ashmore and that you are now even informed that it is a 'Mario' creation.
Two counterfeits that are nowhere near my coin!
And that while my coin exactly matches the MHS copy, but that cannot be true?
For me you are now really on a mission and that mission is to dismiss my coin as false in every possible way, even with bizarre examples and arguments.
Believe me, I did my studies to learn all about these types of coins and have seen these counterfeits pass by as well, absolutely no match with my coin in any way.
At the beginning of this process I received a message from the person with the highest position within the C4 club.
He says an early forgery is unlikely.
He also says that my coin does not match any known counterfeits, and he knows them all, the style is completely different.
He also says that the style matches exactly with the MHS copy and is probably struck with the same dies.
He also says that the small variations in the stamps may well be due to the multiple strikes, which was the norm.
He does say that it has a long way to go to prove its authenticity and should be seen in hand by various experts, including himself.

So, please, let's keep the judgment with the experts.
If you have conclusive proof that the coin is counterfeit or genuine, please report it. But don't make it a witch hunt with claims and arguments that make no sense. That only clouds the messages and information that are useful in this topic.

Here is a link to a discussion about Colonial American silver buttons on an other forum.
Interesting to read and there are XRF results there that can be compared to the XRF results of my coin.

https://www.925-1000.com/forum/view....php?t=37893

What is OP, MHS, and 'Mario'? Sorry for the stupid questions.

UP:larsjan I want to believe that your coin will pass all the stages of authentication and we will see it certified by one of the grading companies.

Then again, as mentioned in multiple sources and studies, Colonial American silver had multiple sources of origin, melted down Spanish coins and scrap silver.
Then the silversmith may add some copper to buy 'approximately' at the desired level.
It is also known that John Hull did not take that very seriously.
The Ne Coins have been minted for a number of months, the composition of the silver of the planchets used for my coin and the MHS coin may therefore differ because they probably were not struck immediately after each other.
In addition, at that time they did not yet have the possibility to purify the silver so finely so that all trace elements such as gold, lead and zinc could be removed.

The composition of my coin is therefore in line with what you can expect from a silver coin from that time.
Does that mean he is real? No Unfortunately not.
It will not be difficult for a forger to obtain old silver with the correct composition.
That is why it is nice that my coin has the right composition, which in any case excludes a forgery in modern silver, but not automatically that the coin is genuine.
This will have to be determined by careful study of the stamps by various experts and comparison with the MHS specimen.
That is the path that has now been taken and will hopefully provide a definitive answer.

Cool to see a pic of all of them side by side. I'm just a layman here on this subject, but the toning, punch and coin appearance seem more in line with the MHS specimen. OP's coin doesn't look much like the Mario counterfeit to me, but I'm no expert.

This interesting book recently bought, it contains a lot of information about the products of the NE coins and the working method of John Hull.

1 average melt at the Massachusetts Bay Mint back then contained about 25 troy pouds of silver, about 400 clipped Spanish Reales, debased with copper.
The book also mentions that they found information in the ledgers of Hull that he bought scrap silver in his silvershop and even occasionally stolen silver and added this to the melt.
The composition of the silver could therefore fluctuate quite often.

Since the dies for NE silver were hand-engraved (and not punched), then they are Unique unto themselves, and ripe for "reinterpretation" by a skilled hand. The one sure-fire way to bestow the title of Original Issue on the OP's item, is to match the dies with a specimen already knwn to be Genuine. Failing that, the source material must be checked for alloy-matching with known Genuine examples (of any denomination if need be). Failing that, then Sisyphus had an easier task than the OP will face...