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PCGS said that I would have to send it in for holder authentication. No fee but I pay freight both ways. I will probably do it.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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How are they going to show that the holder is authentic? Will they encapsulate it in a larger PCGS slab?  Seriously, are they just going to give you a letter saying it's authentic? Maybe they can photograph it and add it to their online museum of holders! |
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I think they'll probably tell me whether they believe the holder is authentic or not.  Then I'll know if the coin was authenticated and graded by PCGS and whether it merits a new addition to the PCGS museum of holders - or not. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I think it still differs from 2.1 as the bar code is still far from the lower edge of the label on the subject coin whereas the linked one you posted has the bar code right on the lower edge. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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The lower right edge of the holder is supposed to say PCGS and a close up is below of that detail for the subject coin:  This is also a clear shot of the front label.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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PCGS said that I would have to send it in for holder authentication. No fee but I pay freight both ways. I will probably do it. Good luck.   Quote:How are they going to show that the holder is authentic? Will they encapsulate it in a larger PCGS slab?  Quote:
Then I'll know if the coin was authenticated and graded by PCGS and whether it merits a new addition to the PCGS museum of holders - or not.  |
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I think it still differs from 2.1 as the bar code is still far from the lower edge of the label on the subject coin whereas the linked one you posted has the bar code right on the lower edge. Think of it like paper money margins. The printer or cutter was off. This could also explain the missing PCGS and why it is probably showing at the very bottom of some other slab. FWIW, all my Ikes are modern slabs and the bar code alignment is all over the place. |
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I think it's the Gen 2.1 holder. The shifted location of the bar code seems insignificant, and the absence of "PCGS" is apparently not an issue. The coin is genuine, and I wouldn't waste the time or money to ship it to them for verification.
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/13/2025 3:58 pm
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This came in and the coin looks real to me, but is it MS64? I agree, the coin is genuine. You asked a serious question on the grade, and I wanted to give it serious consideration in my thoughts. I think it is MS-64, but I have to pull back from thinking it could make MS-64+. On the obverse, there are a lot of small nicks in the hair and buried in the devices. Those are fully consistent with MS-64, and shouldn't be a problem. There is some surface marring in the fields, but again that is nothing unusual for prooflike or semi-prooflike MS-64 Morgans. The bigger concerns are the contacts on the eyebrow and on the diagonal from behind the lips to just east of the eye, and especially the two deeper dings on the cheek. By themselves, these marks are more consistent with MS-63/MS-63+ coins. There are two factors that I think pull this coin up to MS-64. First, the reverse is fantastic. It is at least MS-65, maybe MS-65+. Second, the coin is tantalizing close to a CAM. It has superb eye appeal, regardless of technical grade. They didn't give a CAM designation, and there is at least a decent argument that was a net grade tradeoff, bumping the grade to MS-64 and dropping a possible CAM designation. To me, on a bourse floor, this would trade smoothly as an MS-64. The overall appeal is solid. It's a tough date. The price differential above it is huge. This coin would be an excellent and more affordable eye appeal alternative. All that said, I'd definitely leave this in the existing slab. There is a downside risk on a regrade, and any MS-63/MS-63+ CAM couldn't match the current MS-64 with a decent bourse floor argument that it's an undesignated CAM. It's a nice one. |
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Thanks @fc. Very informative and helpful as always. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The barcode checks out.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11892 Posts |
It's gonna cost me $27 plus postage to authenticate the holder. Decided that the ccf unofficial verification is plenty good and am happy that the coin is authentic. I purchased a Sigma (Investor model) so I'll test the composition of the coin in the holder shortly and will post results of that test here.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Went to a coin show today and noticed a coin holder that looked just like mine (the subject of this thread) and was marked Gen 2.1 holder. Quote:
The barcode checks out. |
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