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Edited by Frostbite123 08/29/2014 5:04 pm
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Welcome to the CCF, Frostbite.
Although not listed as Civil War tokens, the two you posted are among my favorite pieces of that era; also, far scarcer than the majority of CWT's. There's some very interesting history to each of them; both the unbearded Lincoln and the extra-long bearded Grant. Looks like both of your pieces saw period use. You might also post the reverses, if possible.
It's long been my contention that Civil War era pieces like these should be included in the books. There seems to be a tendency for those in the know to exclude pieces that fall outside their exacting criteria. Yet, there are 1860-dated tokens that remain listed. IMHO, the Civil War token series should be widened and broken down into sub-categories. Rather than go into a dissertation on this, I'll only say that I have greatly enjoyed forming my own Civil War collection - not one by-the-book.
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Frostbite - the Lincoln isn't considered a civil war token. It's actually a presidential campaign token promoting Lincoln for the 1860 election. It has a Dewitt/Sullivan number of AL 1860-41. I have one in my collection:  That's the first Grant like that I've seen, but it's also listed in the Sullivan/DeWitt book as a political campaign medalet - USG 1868-35. Although issued in 1863, it widely circulated in 1868, promoting Gen. Ulysses S. Grant for president. I don't believe this one is considered a CWT either. By the way, these types were typically holed as issued, as they were meant to be suspended from clothing with a hanger and/or ribbon, to support a person's favored candidate.
Edited by mackwork 08/29/2014 1:14 pm
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Hey guys ... Many of the so-called Civil War tokens are also listed by DeWitt-Sullivan as campaign pieces. Then too, many of the listed CWT's come holed as well. IMHO, by eliminating tokens/medalets like these from the Civil War series at large, we're splitting hairs and denying their historic significance. Solely my take ...
General Grant much more closely trimmed his beard, following his Vicksburg victory. Apparently, these medalets/tokens were struck to commemorate the victory. While I seem to have read somewhere that there may have been post-war restrikes, it does strike me as odd that there are few, if any, high-grade specimens existent? IMHO, it certainly does appear as such that this medalet/token fits snugly into the Civil War era. I've yet to see an uncirculated one. The handful I've seen all appear to be VF-XF and worn as such. Then too, I've yet to see another CW-period Grant token that illustrates this long beard.
Whereas Lincoln grew a beard, thanks to the observation of a little girl in Westfield, NY, Grant trimmed his. I've long wondered why Grant did this, but that long beard sure made him look ancient.
Edited by ExoGuy 08/29/2014 7:53 pm
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ExoGuy - I agree with all that you said. There are some CWTs listed by both Fuld and DeWitt, and I have some of those, There are also ones like the DeWitt 1868-35, that aren't listed by Fuld (at least I couldn't find it in my Fuld book). It's hard to know where to draw that line, but to me the 1868-35, being first struck in 1863, should also be considered a CWT. I found one of the above Grants in an MS Grade, so there may be more out there in MS. I didn't check Heritage. http://exonumiamedals.com/u-s-grant...35-ngc-ms-63
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Wow, Mackwork ... I'd have bought that one, had I seen it! I doubt that restrikes. if any do exist, would have been holed, as these tend to be. I've been an active participant in exonumia auctions since the mid-1980's, and this Unc specimen is the first I've seen.
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Thanks guys for the info on the tokens. Now, if these tokens have been cleaned at all in the past, I have no idea. I got these in a binder with a bunch of political buttons from a relative that passed away.
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Well, my most recent CWT purchase arrived today, and I am sure happy w/ this one. The sellers auction pictures are fantastic, but still don't do the token justice in-hand. What a beauty! I'm thinking possible MS-65 when graded...  
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Beautiful Dave. Super sharp strike and beautiful surfaces. I used to live in Meadville, as I am told, since I was an infant at the time.
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Bill, I also have a co-worker who lived in Meadville as a child. Small world!
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A couple new tokens from the 9/6 Heritage Long Beach auction... Sorry for the scuffs on the holders...I tried my darndest to buff them out.  
Edited by brg5658 09/27/2014 10:11 pm
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Thanks for all the nice comments guys. I have 3 more that I picked up on my road trip last week, but I still need to photograph them. I'll try to do that in the next few days and post here. -Brandon
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