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 Posted 01/04/2019  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got one of these in a $3 each bulk lot before 2010. I saw the die clash and checked my Charlton token book and determined it was an NS-3A2. I found another later and I posted it on a bygone coin site and asked about the clash, if it was a new variety. One reply said there would be information about it coming soon. Well, several months later the 7th edition Charlton token catalogue came out and, voila, it was listed as a new variety, NS-3A4 (PNS-352a R-6). I kept my eye out for more and here are the 6 I've found. The most I paid was $32.50 last October for the one with the lamination on the obverse, but I was so glad to find the clash (not mentioned in the auction) that I failed to acknowledge the bad scratch on the reverse.


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 Posted 01/04/2019  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sent these two to PCGS early Dec 2018 and got them back today.

MS64RB
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/36314821
MS63BN
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/36314820

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 Posted 01/04/2019  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow Gene,

I am totally jealous,

that 1850 is simply exquisite... please pass a napkin
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 Posted 01/05/2019  05:10 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Gene, thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 01/05/2019  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdn44fan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wanted to show something a little different, here's my BL-1/#629 and BL-37/#658. I know they're quite worn but I've read Black Smiths are supposed to look like this. Any input is greatly appreciated.

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 Posted 01/05/2019  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ironhorse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cdn44fan, I really like your blacksmiths!
I also have a BL37 and a few others and I am always looking out for more to learn about
From what I've been led to believe is the tokens were produced with inconsistent dies and minting processes of sometimes inferior quality throughout; hoping the pass these coins looking as though they were already as worn and battered from use as many of the legitimate coins of the day in circulation were.
It was clearly easier to make a coin that looked used than a perfect one resembling regal coin, and also easier to prey on those that didn't recognize the foreries easily
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 Posted 01/05/2019  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdn44fan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot Ironhorse, appreciate the info
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 Posted 01/06/2019  01:58 am  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For those interested in Blacksmith tokens I recommend the book: Forgotten Coins of the North American Colonies, 25th Anniversary Edition by John Lorenzo. Chapter 1 covers the Canadian group.

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 Posted 01/06/2019  05:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link for the book that Gene mentions. A bout halfway down, under the book description, is a summary of what's in the new Lorenzo book and why it came about:
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Se...tby=17&sts=t

And here's some info on the original Krause 1992 book:
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Se...s=t&yrh=1992
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Canada Prince Edward Island "Speed The Plough" Token
( Canada, E.L. Lydiard, 1 cent : 1859)

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 Posted 01/08/2019  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
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Sent these two to PCGS early Dec 2018 and got them back today.

MS64RB
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/36314821

A very nice token 1960NYGiants. The uncirculated half penny 1850 with a significant part of their original red luster are not common.

Thus, it seems to be the variety Courteau #018 (Rarity 8 of 10), and according to my research, I agree with Courteau that this variety is not very common.

From my book for the variety Courteau #018:
Obverse: Perfect letters and figure «1». From perfect and broken dies. When broken, with a light die crack through letter «upPer».
Reverse: The stands of letters «TokeN» are weakly struck. The right stand of letter «banK» is fully struck. With a die crack close to the left of upper rosette.


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 Posted 01/13/2019  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you @ainsivalavie.

I have a 2nd PCGS MS64RB example more brown than red. If I interpret your book correctly it is #030:

obverse: the <<baNK>> are both re-cut and no top serif to <<canaDa>>

reverse: no speck to left of <<Token>> with a die crack at left side of <<halF>> extending from the edge to where the cornucopias cross

I also noticed some interesting markers at <<oF>> and <<UPper>> and re-cut 5 and 0 in date on obverse along with a re-cut <<hAlf>> to the right, re-cut <<penNy>> to the right on the reverse.

I will try to post some photos for you.

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 Posted 01/13/2019  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
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I have a 2nd PCGS MS64RB example more brown than red. If I interpret your book correctly it is #030:

obverse: the <<baNK>> are both re-cut and no top serif to <<canaDa>>

reverse: no speck to left of <<Token>> with a die crack at left side of <<halF>> extending from the edge to where the cornucopias cross

I also noticed some interesting markers at <<oF>> and <<UPper>> and re-cut 5 and 0 in date on obverse along with a re-cut <<hAlf>> to the right, re-cut <<penNy>> to the right on the reverse.

I will try to post some photos for you.

Gene

@1960NYGiants:
Of course, I'm always up for seeing these little wonders :)

Otherwise, if it helps you, here is an example of the Courteau #030 variety.

Since the picture is not very clear, I put arrows where the die crack is located near the letter «halF».
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Otherwise, is this your token? Because it is the only Courteau #030 (PCGS - MS-64 R&B) that I know to date (At least, it's my hypothesis despite the low resolution photo in my possession).
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