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I was comparing the date on this coin against that of a confirmed authentic one. One thing I see is that the date looks somewhat rounded at the edges in this example whereas the date looks sharply flat at the edges in the confirmed authentic example. Am I just imagining the difference or do you see it too? The location of the date with respect to the denticles looks spot on though.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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The difference in the date could just be lighting and focus. If it's not genuine, it would be an incredibly good counterfeit. Can you check if it has any of the markers of VAM-9? The mintmark position looks good for that VAM. https://vamworld.com/wiki/1878-CC_VAM-9 |
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Don't have the coin in hand yet. It should arrive this week and I will check it when it gets here.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Wow. I hope it is not a fake coin or holder.  |
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I found some additional photos of the coin from the listing. It has the same broken right 4th star that is seen in VAM-9. It seems highly unlikely that a counterfeit would match a specific VAM die pair.  |
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Quote:I found some additional photos of the coin from the listing. It has the same broken right 4th star that is seen in VAM-9. It seems highly unlikely that a counterfeit would match a specific VAM die pair. Excellent!  |
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Thanks Zurie. Was thinking that the coin image might be lifted from a legitimate source for the sale listing and what I receive is something different. But if that is the case and they went to the trouble of lifting a genuine coin image, why not lift a genuine case image with a genuine label?
Looks like it have to wait for what shows up at my door. And also see what PCGS says about the authenticity of the label and thus the holder.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Wow. That's a twist I didn't expect.
I also think the coin is genuine.
When you talk to PCGS, it may also be worth asking if the coin could have been reholdered, and if at that time PCGS ever re-used an existing obverse label with a new holder.
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I received a response from PCGS essentially saying that they will not make a determination of the authenticity of a holder or a label from pictures. They provided me with a process for submitting the coin and holder for authentication. I don't have the details of the process yet. I think I will first examine the coin in hand and make a decision from there.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Looks like a nice coin. Hope it all works out for you.
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I did an overlay of the mintmark positions, and it's an exact match. So I think it's a genuine VAM-9 1878-CC in some kind of transitional holder. But MS-64 seems a bit generous with that cheek.
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I did an overlay of the mintmark positions, and it's an exact match. So I think it's a genuine VAM-9 1878-CC in some kind of transitional holder. Good work. Quote:
But MS-64 seems a bit generous with that cheek. And to think PCGS was stricter in that era.  |
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PCGS said that I would have to send it in for holder authentication. No fee but I pay freight both ways. I will probably do it.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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How are they going to show that the holder is authentic? Will they encapsulate it in a larger PCGS slab?  Seriously, are they just going to give you a letter saying it's authentic? Maybe they can photograph it and add it to their online museum of holders! |
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