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Is this fairly common for 1881. Two open D's & single serif D in DEI ?   |
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The 1881H micro D is scarce, though not rare. I have 5, and have seen 2 sell on ebay that I didn't go after. I bought an EF for $50, and a VF30 sold on ebay recently for $130. Based on rarity, it should be selling for much more, perhaps one day it will. The 1882H Triple D, micro D is also scarce, I have found 3 so far. The name isn't finalized. Personally, it looks like a "micro D" as you cannot see the bottom of the repunched "low D". CCCS has no problem calling it micro D. In reality, calling the 1881H a micro D isn't right either. It should be "mini D", or "small D". Micro implies 1000x smaller than the original, which it obviously isn't. Who came up with the silly name? But its catchy, so the debate regarding the name is pointless. The 1882H micro D remains unpublished in any major work, though its known to variety collectors on these and other messageboards. Edited by canadian-varieties
12/06/2011 11:17 pm
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The 1881 open Ds are also not common but not rare. Perhaps "scarce"...but more common than the 1881H micro D.  Edited by canadian-varieties
12/06/2011 11:16 pm
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Regarding the origin of the name Micro D. It was used by Jack Griffin when he spoke of this particular variety years ago. His writings don't use the word micro, but when he discussed varieties he would often use descriptive words. Most of the varieties that are showing up here and on other sites are being re-discovered. Look to works published by Zoell, Griffin, Haxby and others starting back in the 1960's for the original descriptions. Some of the "new" discoveries are nothing more than people looking at their coins and posting their finds without looking at the reference materials that are in existence. This is a great time to be checking out your large cents for variations but most of what is being discovered has been seen, documented and discussed before. Our ability to generate and share pics of forums such as this makes the transfer of information immediate. Many people rely solely on forms for information. You have to start somewhere for sure, but these arenas should just whet your appetite. Join the RCNA or ANA and make liberal use of their library material to become better informed and help your understanding of the pioneers and history of this interesting collecting path. :) |
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Well said Dan. If Bill was not kicked off this site, I am sure his words would echo yours.
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Unfortunately, most of the works by Zoell, Griffin, Haxby, are inaccessible to the vast majority of collectors :)
A "major work" is, or should be, accessible to everyone :)
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Unfortunately, most of the works by Zoell, Griffin, Haxby, are inaccessible to the vast majority of collectors. You could say the same about most varieties, it depends how hard you look... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Unfortunately, many major works in Canadian variety collecting are out of print. That doesn't mean we should ignore them or forget them. After all, copyright law doesn't forget them for 75 years. I would encourage any who wish to be serious variety collectors to seek out what has been published before. Some of it you will agree with and some you won't, but much of it is available in libraries and well worth the read.
As for this 1881 variety, a mint state example was catalogued and sold in the New Netherlands Coin Company auction of the Lathrop Collection in 1964.
Rob
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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You could say the same about most varieties, it depends how hard you look... Also depends on your budget and who you know,I would agree with danlos,not readily accessible for most collectors,unfortunately |
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Believe me...I've tried hard...and if I can't get them...then most can't. When you have been an "expert" in the field for 20-30 years and have all the obscure material handy...its easy to lose touch with the reality of the average collector, or the new collector. But I see many are working on changing that  Edited by canadian-varieties
12/07/2011 11:52 am
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Danlos - The sarcasm in your post is insulting on several levels. As for the older literature, have you tried the RCNA library, or looking for it in the WorldCat consolidated library catalog, or subscribing to the catalogs of some of the numismatic book auction firms. http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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No insult intended, I've been an expert in several fields, I'm just speaking from experience. I am planning to join the RCNA, and have been searching ebay, Amazon, canadian book stores, etc... |
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The differance between "a buyer of coins", and an educated numismatist has become painfully obvious by this thread. Dan and bosox are true "heavy hitters and educators" in large cents. The information they offer is based on RESEARCH and experience. When they type, all should listen. Not defend. IMO
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