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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Agree with Sap on most. I have to split my collection into continents, besides I'm not an OFEC kind of guy, I have multiple pages for some countries. I personally have a harder time to draw a boundary between N. and S. America. By the way, "my" Cyprus is in Asia. Quote: ... historically Georgia is considered "European" ... Neighbouring Armenia is also historically "European" ... I believe the sole reason for that is that both Georgia and Armenia are christian while the surrounding is predominantly muslim.
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Valued Member
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I'm at ALOFEC (at least one from every country) collector, and I consider differences in formal names, empires, etc significant, so my Europe binder alone is about 150 pages. Thus, I need a way of simplifying things, and I don't want to alphabetize the entire world.
Sap, I really like your logic in this matter. Do you happen to have a list of the sovereign countries of Europe that you use? Do you classify the Order of Malta and Kosovo as sovereign?
Do you keep places like Transnistria with Moldova, or do you have it in a separate folder?
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Moderator
 Australia
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Quote: Sap, I really like your logic in this matter. Do you happen to have a list of the sovereign countries of Europe that you use? No list as such; my general knowledge of geography lets me know roughly where each country is situated, and which side of the line they fall on. Quote: Do you classify the Order of Malta and Kosovo as sovereign? The Order of Malta is an interesting case. I consider them a "government-in-exile", having been evicted from Malta by Napoleon. They have attained Observer status at the UN, but in recognition of their charitable transnational medical aid they offer, rather than in recognition of sovereignty. Krause's attitude to them has changed over the years: my 1987 edition didn't include them, my 1996 edition did, and my 2006 edition did not. And like Hutt River, they have also suffered from "unofficial" pretenders issuing bogus coinage in their name. Coins denominated in scudi, tari and grani are legitimate SMOM issues. Coins denominated in "liras" were struck by an American pseudo-order with no formal ties to the Italian order; see this old thread. I own a silver 3 scudi, which I bought off forum member Angielczyk (and which is filed under "O" in the primary albums, in between Oman and Overyssel). Kosovo, to my knowledge, has not yet issued any coinage. Kosovo has unilaterally adopted the euro as its currency but cannot issue euro-denominated coinage without joining the Eurozone or signing a treaty with it - neither of which are likely to happen this decade. Quote: Do you keep places like Transnistria with Moldova, or do you have it in a separate folder? I have to admit, my secondary folder organization is a bit higgledy-piggledy. Once upon a time it was neatly, alphabetically sorted, but a couple of deluges of bulk world coins blasted away the veneer of organization it had, as coins got shoved in every which place, wherever they would fit. I've never motivated myself enough to give it a proper sort-out. For Transnistria, the question is moot, because they're all kept in the primary albums, which are fully entire-world alphabetized with Transnistria sitting in between Tonkin and Travancore. The only Transnistrian coins I own are a type set I bought from ebay stalwart diggafromdover a few years ago, and a couple brought back recently by family and friends that had actually visited the place.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Quote: By the way, "my" Cyprus is in Asia. Do not collect euro coins then. ;) 16+3 euro countries would then be in your "Europe" album, with 1 being in the "Asia" album. For pretty much every practical purpose it does not matter anyway which "continent" a particular country is part of. And people who collect coins from the entire world can, as mentioned before, sort the countries alphabetically ... My "problem" used to be colonies, overseas territories, whatever you call them. For example, a couple of years ago I had a "Portugal" collection which would also include coins from/for various places in Africa and Asia, as I found the similar designs interesting. Today such non-European coins would be in some Africa or Asia album ... except I don't collect them any more. :) Christian
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United States
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I love the geography lessons! Thank you. For me though it is much easier to just put my coins in the same order as Krause lists them. I probably don't have nearly the quantity but this helps me to keep track of what I still want to acquire. I'm an OFEC collector(which I don't think actually means just one but that is another topic...)and I use Krause to determine what is an is not a 'country'. I do keep a note that tells me where they are in the world so I may go back and reclassify some based on this discussion but I don't have to move them in my binders - just on my excel sheet
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United States
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Quote:Quote: By the way, "my" Cyprus is in Asia. Do not collect euro coins then. ;) ... Turkey and Israel have been participating in various European Cups and Championships, Turkey has been courting the European Union. None of that changes their physical location. I do have euro coins, and when I get my hands on ones from Cyprus they will be promptly placed in the Asian album(s). 
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United States
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... Not all francs end up under the France heading.
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 Australia
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For me, the "euro question" is solved by filing all the circulating euro types under "E" for European Union - yes, even the three mini-states that aren't technically part of the Union - then subsorting them by member-state. That way, all the euro coins can be filed in the same place and even if Turkey, Martinique, Curacao or some other clearly "non-European" entities issue circulating euro coins in the future, they can all still be filed in the same place.
NCLT euro coins, which are only legal tender in the country of issue, still get filed under the country's name.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Are you counting the Vatican as a mini-state that issues Yurros?
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 Australia
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Um, yes. The other two being San Marino and Monaco.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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I classify my coins by geographic region, but not strictly by continent.
Examples: Central America Caribbean South America Sub-Saharan Africa North Africa & Middle East Central Asia Southeast Asia ...
Even then it's a judgement call as to assigning certain countries.
I keep colonies in their geographic area, so Portuguese Macao and British Hong Kong would be near the coins of China, and Netherlands Antilles is in the Caribbean section.
I (try) to only collect circulating coinage, so that takes care of some problems from non-entities. I do have some coins from Andorra and Nagorno-Karabakh, which I'm not sure if they really circulate in those areas or not.
Also most of my coins are after 1850, so there aren't a lot of principalities and states to deal with.
-wheatiefan
Edited by wheatiefan 12/29/2011 3:02 pm
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United Kingdom
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Mine are also sorted alphabetically except for my UK and US coins. So that would be around 90 countries. Ken
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United Kingdom
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Is it worth mentioning that the Krause banknote catalogue seems to classify countries differently than the coin catalogue (just to make things slightly more complicated  ) The UK section, for example, is disaggregated in the Banknote catalogues, while united in the coin catalogues. A different approach to "purely alphabetical" is really needed for it.
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 Australia
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Quote: I (try) to only collect circulating coinage, so that takes care of some problems from non-entities. I do have some coins from Andorra and Nagorno-Karabakh, which I'm not sure if they really circulate in those areas or not. They do not. Andorra uses euros in everyday commerce, the Andorran diner and the fractional centim coinage being purely for collectors and tourists. Unlike the other three euro-using mini-states, Andorra has not signed a treaty with the Eurozone allowing it to issue their own euro coinage. There is no fixed or official exchange rate between diners and euros. The tiny aluminium 1 centim coins look like cheap circulation issues, but they were made purely for sale to tourists and OFEC collectors. Nagorno-Karabakh is a disputed territory on the Asian side of the Caucasus, completely inside the borders of Azerbaijan but majority-inhabited by ethnic Armenians. Armenia and Azerbaijan were fighting over it even before the USSR formally broke up. The local population uses Armenian currency in everyday transactions; the Nagorno-Karabakh dram is "legal tender" but has never been commonly in use. 1 Armenian dram is now worth 1/4 of a US cent and back in 2004 the rate was more like 1/8th of a cent, so if the coins and notes ever were intended for circulation, they certainly didn't circulate for very long. Quote: The UK section, for example, is disaggregated in the Banknote catalogues, while united in the coin catalogues. That's because the currency itself is disaggregated (hey, I learned a new word today). Britain is in the unique position in the world today of being a country with a unified coinage but a divided banknote system. The coinage has been struck in the name of the entire United Kingdom since the Act of Union in 1707 - even the coinages with specifically regional designs like the "English" and "Scottish" shillings and the 1 pound coins - but the banknotes have always only been at the member-country level - Bank of England notes, though widely accepted in Scotland, are not legal tender there, while Scottish banknotes are even less widely accepted in England. There are no such things as "British banknotes", in terms of notes being issued for and acceptable in the entire country. I stick with "purely alphabetical" in both cases. I file British coins under "Great Britain", and British banknotes under "England", "Scotland" or "Northern Ireland".
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United Kingdom
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Usually I have no problem spending my Northern Ireland banknotes in Scotland - and northern England for that matter - but shops (or should I say pubs  ) in the south of England don't like tham at all. I got the funniest look when I tried to spend one of our plastic "space shuttle" Northern Bank £5 notes. They thought I was "having a laugh"? I've tried to spend Scottish notes in England too and again - shops in the south don't really like them. While not strictly speaking legal tender outside England and Wales - the Bank of England notes are accepted throughout the UK with no problems. Isle of Man notes are also readily accepted here in Northern Ireland (I've even got notes from Jersey and the Falklands in my change before). I think they are less readily accepted in England - again - because they are not realy used to accepting anything that is not "Bank of England". Wikipedia has a reasonably good explanation of the difference between promisary notes and legal tender - it's quite a subtle difference to do with settlement of a debt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankno...und_sterling
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