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Definitely a fake, and not a very good one. The person who copied that coin obviously didn't know much about what he was copying... not only is the date wrong (it should be more like 1801), but the ribbons around the pillars (which on the original coins bear the words "PLVS VLTRA" have transmogrified into snakes!   Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Nice fake, too bad that they were off by 500 years on the date.
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Those lions on the reverse look more like some weird dinosaurs.
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Originally posted by TwoKopeiki
Those lions on the reverse look more like some weird dinosaurs.
They caught my eye too!  |
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Edited by TwoKopeiki
02/25/2007 3:58 pm
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miza0016 Hello and welcome to the forum.
Don't be at all discouraged by this purchase - you may actually have stumbled onto a good one.
What you appear to have is a Barbaric 2R (size of a quarter dollar) from Lima Peru. Before I go into too much guesswork regarding the type - could you answer a couple questions. The answers are critical to appraising the value.
Weight to a 1/10th of a gram.
Diameter in millimeters
What does the edge look like? Description is OK a picture would be best.
Does it ring when tapped with a wooden pencil while balanced on your finger?
Looking forward to your answers.
Can you get a larger higher resolution picture of the coin?
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New Member
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to swampperbob: its diameter is about 27 mm and it rings when tapped with the pencil and it is silver for sure , I think it is about 6 to 8 gms ,its edge is plain and smooth.
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There is a class of counterfeit Portrait coins made in the Spanish Colonies for trade with regional indians. These issues referred to as "Barbaric" copies do attract a lot of attention among collectors like myself. They are usually a low grade silver and are struck from VERY crude dies. Here is an example from my own collection. Image Insert: To Becky - you would probably think I have lost my mind if I told you what I was willing to pay for this particular coin. Anyway, the only concern I would state about the 2 R posted initially is that a PLAIN SMOOTH edge is wrong. I have never seen a period counterfeit in the Barbaric class with a plain edge. The definitive way to tell is to get an XRF test and look for "typical" trace elements. ***Edited by Forum Dad |
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Bob, what kind of literature talks about this issue in detail? Is it in Riddell? Would love to learn more about these.
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Oh no swamperbob, I of all people would never think you lost your mind for paying "too much". As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing. My dealer keeps a notebook with "Weird Stuff" printed on the cover. I think he did it for me   |
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TwoKopeiki There are a few references that give some general data on Barbaric issues - the earliest I am aware of is Calbetto's "Compendium of the VIII Reales" he devotes a small section to the "Type". You can also find some of the "Crude" copies in the Krause book on Strange Coins and I believe that Utberg in one of his book covers some of the allied token issues. But most of the detailed data comes from discussions with other collectors and from examination of many of the type.
One caution when dealing with Barbaric types is that most are Modern Fabrications - very few have well documented trails, but those few that can be traced hold the key to the identification of similar coins.
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This is the post that motivated my most recent purchase! This Barbaric piece is so ugly - it's beautiful!  Swamperbob - you're the man! ~Roman Edited by TwoKopeiki
02/25/2007 3:59 pm
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Those are some pretty cool denticles, Roman. That's a fascinating niche - would you call it "exonumia," or what?  |
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No idea how to classify these. I guess it's still numismatic circulated counterfeit, since they were created to imitate legal tender of the time... I classify them - "Super Cool"  ~Roman Edited by TwoKopeiki
02/25/2007 5:54 pm
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This type is in my "rough draft" categorization scheme for counterfeits and forgeries called a Contemporary Circulating Barbaric Counterfeit(CCBC). Calbetto calls them Barbaric types and I am just following his lead but attempting to come up with a shorthand notation.
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