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Bedrock of the Community
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Those pics do help. The '22 is still a puzzle though!
The '21 Peace is XF Details - Improperly Cleaned and worth $80.
The Morgan looks original and XF45, worth about $40.
The '22 Peace (grading only from the pics) is polished or whizzed AU Details and worth $30.
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 United States
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If your estimates on these is accurate it's certainly a dissapointment. I may bring to them a local coin shoppe and see what they think regarding the cleaning/non cleaning, and the diagonal marks on the 22. Thanks for the feedback on these. Curious to see what a circulated Peace dollar looks like without clean marks cause I still don't see such marks on the 21 some still see. Also does everyone assume all coins have been cleaned at some point just because? Just wondering, because the 99 looks like it's 113 years old lol. |
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Pillar of the Community
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If that 1922 was polished, I would guess that the black spots are compound that hasn't been removed? Pretty sloppy...
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United States
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Also does everyone assume all coins have been cleaned at some point just because? No, that is done on an individual basis. Your Peace dollars show clear evidence of being cleaned in the past. They have a very un-natural look to them because of this. |
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Rest in Peace
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 , Allblkdout07! Quote:
i honestly think that 1922 removed from the key chain could be MS65+ There is no way that coin will get a grade any higher than xf. The lines from 10-4 look like someone took an eraser to it. the 99o is a typical nice circulated Morgan. the 21 peace is the winner. despite the chin scratch and cheek nicks, it's still a $100-150 retail coin. The others are common dates, melt value a bit over $27, retail 30-35. Don't try cleaning them, they're OK as is. If you plan on keeping them, you might want to have the 21 peace conserved for long-term storage (around $30). I see no reason to believe they all are anything but genuine. Nice stash! |
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Rest in Peace
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I read the 'O' is supposed to appear above the 'O' and 'L' on the back, but this one has it between the 'D' and 'O' or is that not the typical mark representing N.O. mint? Whatever you read is just flat-out wrong. Look at the reverses of all of these: http://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/Morgan/GradesIf there is a mm, it's always above and between D and O. |
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Canada
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Another nice thing about the 1921 dollars (besides their rarity and value) is they were struck in higher relief than other dates in the series. To me the higher relief makes them much nicer looking.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I don't see evidence of bad cleaning on the 21, but that can be very difficult to see in a pix.
Speaking of difficult, the 21 is very difficult to grade because they were "struck in VG". They were high relief, and the centers didn't strike up well, so they lowered the relief for 22.
Look at the reverses, especially the tail and throat feathers. Far sharper than the 22, but the hair on the 21 looks worn off, even on a new one.
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New Member
United States
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Thanks everyone, very interesting facts for sure. I can see why people get into coin collecting. I guess until you dive in you don't realize how fun collecting can be. Maybe this is a springboard for me to do more research, learn more and start casually collecting.
So the general consensus is DEF hold onto the coins, especially the 1921 which I should have preserved. Hoping there's a chance the value of the 21 would go up in the future.
Thanks again!
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Pillar of the Community
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superdave didnt you see the post about "ROLLER MARKS? this in my opinion is not cleaned... but those marks...
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Pillar of the Community
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Roller marks go under the devices. It's my understanding that when the coin is struck the metal is forced into the high points of the die & the roller marks disappear.
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03/01/2012 2:34 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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someone posted a link to a coin with roller marks. they do not disappear
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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After looking through all the pictures I am still not completely sure what to make of the 1922. My guess would be high AU details/cleaned. My first impression of the 1921 was around EF-45 details/cleaned but in the picture with the three coins, it exhibits much more mint luster. I think it could make AU details. The 1899-O, I say is a nice EF-45.
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Pillar of the Community
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someone posted a link to a coin with roller marks. they do not disappear In the very first line of the text below the picture in that link there is another link that will take you to an article with more information about roller marks. Here's the link & a copy of the pertinent text: http://coins.about.com/od/uscoins/a...er_marks.htmQuote:Roller Marks go Underneath the Devices - Another diagnostic for confirming roller marks are that they will go underneath (and sometimes across) the devices on the coin and continue on the other side. The reason is that, as a feature of the planchet itself, when the coin is struck the lines are usually obliterated by the devices rising from the surface of the planchet during striking. The roller marks on the field area of the coin are often still present because the force of the strike wasn't enough to obliterate them. Large coins are more difficult to strike well, which is why roller marks are far more common on large coins such as Silver Dollars, than they are on smaller coins like Seated dimes. |
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United States
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It's too bad about that 22. I see no signs of honest circulation. The strike is dead even front to back. The surfaces on the other hand...ugh. I can see why roller marks are being brought up. Long parallel lines on the obverse and reverse that go in the same direction. However, I can't imagine how those "roller marks" created the bland lustre on the coin. And wouldn't the marks need to be much deeper to survive on top of the devices? They look pretty even in depth all the across.
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