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 Posted 03/29/2012  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
Hi FNQ

Yes, from memory my two 2001 50 cent coins had the strongest doubling on the "Australia 2001" lettering, and less so on the "Elizabeth II" side.

I shall provide a better scan of my coins tomorrow - both sides !.

Yes, FNQ, the uneven "doubling" also made me wonder how this might have been caused in the minting of the coin . Any ideas from the more experienced numismatists would be appreciated .

Squire
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 Posted 03/29/2012  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
As promised I have attached my two "doubled" 2001 50 cent pieces.
The photography is not the best, but I hope it points out the main features.
Firstly, the doubling is indeed stronger on the "Australia 2001" side of the coin.
Surprisingly, the top coin also shows doubling on certain parts of the reverse.
On the back of the Kangaroo and also on the "5" of the 50.

The mystery deepens

Squire

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 Posted 03/30/2012  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
Had another go at photographing my 2001 "doubled" 50 cent piece. Actually, it turns out that the two 2001 "doubles" in my possession are quite different .
One has doubling on the "Australia 2001" script and around the right and bottom of the Queen's portrait.
The second one (shown below) has doubling as above, but also over particular parts of the reverse. The Kangaroo, the Emu and also the "5" in 50. What a strange aberration !. I wonder how this could have been created ?.

Squire

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 Posted 03/30/2012  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
A federation state or federation coa?
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 Posted 03/30/2012  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
i have one very much the same squire, except australia and date are more like the first pic in the thread
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 Posted 03/30/2012  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FNQ to your friends list
Thanks for that last pic Squire - that's the one I was hoping to see.

Yours, like mine, is affected to a greater degree on the right hand side of the obverse.

In absence of advanced technical knowledge of the intricacies of Machine Doubling, this leads me to propose the following speculative questions:

The obverse is the "struck" side of the coin?
There has been minor rotational movement during the strike?
The obverse die is not set evenly?
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 Posted 03/31/2012  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
struck twice and the coin bounced after the first, or lifted with the striking die only to fall slightly before the second impact?
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 Posted 03/31/2012  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list
I agree with most staments made on 2001 50c Coin
Doubling on this coin is quite common on both obverse and reverse
Same is found with state 50c coins also espicllay ones released into circulation (not seen and UNC version with major errors to date)
Makes good sample coin to point errors along with 2005 remebrance 50c coin which is also renowed for exhibiting errors
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 Posted 04/09/2012  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
All these observations make me wonder why this "doubling" occurred only in 2001 .

Squire
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 Posted 04/09/2012  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
Thought I would surf the web re. coin doubling.
Here are a few links

http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglos...cal_doub.htm

Of interest - that the die is "jarred out of position as a result of vibration or improper coin press maintenance"

More on Die Deterioration Doubling at
http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglos...ioration.htm

also
http://www.coingalaxy.com/coininfo/doubling.html
and
http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglos..._hubbing.htm

Of interest - the "second hubbing" process.

also
http://www.coinsite.com/content/cda...rchive60.asp

Particularly the eighth paragraph pertaining to "Doubling" - the loose collar.

Squire
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 Posted 04/17/2012  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
I have recently found a 50 cent Federation coin (WA) that shows nice "doubling" on the Obverse and Reverse.

I have attached an image below.
As for the 2001 Federation coin that I have shown earlier, the doubling is over particular parts of the design only .

Squire

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 Posted 04/19/2012  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
Here is the 2004 50 cent piece that I found last night. A lot of "doubling" over selected parts of the design.

Squire

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 Posted 04/20/2012  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list

Quote:
All these observations make me wonder why this "doubling" occurred only in 2001
I'd guess it's due to the fact they minted 43.1m, double (or more) of most previous years. I'd say the dies were used until they were virtually worn out.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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04/20/2012 01:59 am
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 Posted 04/20/2012  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RAD change to your friends list
How interesting Squire! I found two 2004 50's with almost exactly the same doubling all over it last night as well. No photo's as yet tho.


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 Posted 04/20/2012  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
RAD change... (really throwing out the "welcomes" this week !.

I must admit, since joining Coin Community in March of this year I have learned a lot. I now have a comprehensive list of coin varieties and errors to look for. Far more than I ever could have gained from McDonald or other coin books. Or from randomly browsing the Internet.

"Show and tell" is also fun and very informative.
I find it inspiring when other members turn up interesting coins in their change and post pictures of these .

Thanks to nancyc for the information re. coin mintage numbers . What source do you use for these numbers ?. Do you find McDonald's figures reliable ?.
It would be interesting to see if there is a relation between coin doubling and mintage numbers.

Squire



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