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Will We Ever Know How Many Silver Coins Were Melted Down

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 Posted 06/22/2012  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list

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coins are not even looked at. Just added to the melting pots.




This is one reason I like to buy 90% silver. Specifically all the most modern 90%. There will hit a point where more has been melted than there is that hasn't. Doesn't hurt to have some just in case. Worst case is they are worth melt, like how I bought them.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list
Really fascinating article. biochemist6, thanks for posting that!
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 Posted 06/22/2012  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilzho to your friends list
Yes, I agree. I go to pawn shops and they are so quick to get their cash of what spot is they do not care to try to carry inventory of a coin that may be worth 1000X more than what they are geeting from smelting it.
I just buy the old silver coins, the new ones usually will come from the mint where the price is too high.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list
If you want to understand the nature of coin availability you must first study the way coins were minted in the first place. silver and gold coins typically came about when private citizens and businesses brought forth silver and gold- which the mint assayers measured and checked for purity and then coined. the term seigniorage is derived from the amount of money the government would skim off the top to make a little bit of profit and to cover their costs (a different notion that what is being done now)... So in the distant past, coins were minted to cater to private need- as such the government had no interest in the preservation of these coins- only in the facilitation of trade. you could take all of the coins minted in silver from 1793 to 1893 that survived up until the 1960s and the mint would outproduce that total with just one year of mintage from one mint.

as for what remains of the 20th century silver coins? it's anybody's guess. probably a good buy in the higher grades- in the lower grades they will never be all that collectible.. the reason for this is that so many BU coins and gem quality coins are being saved because the hobby is attuned to that type of collecting now. So for profit I'd say MS-66 on quarters, MS-66 or above FT on dimes, Ms-64FB and above on Franklins, MS-66 and above on Kennedy halves, MS-65/MS-66 on Clad Ikes, MS-68 on Silver business strike Ikes, MS anything on Mercury dimes up through the 30s, same for Standing Liberty quarters. MS anything on Walking Liberty halves and all but common date Peace dollars. Morgans? well, there are so many of them for most dates that you are better off collecting elsewhere for profit- not that it isn't a great set for varieties or just to have fun with.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
no way of knowing as even today at this moment there are dealers and people melting down us and foreign coins. Will we ever know how many silver coins are also gone due to floods, fires, earthquakes, etc? No too but if you add that into the mix, a massive % of coins have been destroyed
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 Posted 06/22/2012  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoldenRing89 to your friends list
My smelter claims that he never melts coins, and that he saves them up and sell's them to a coin dealer. I think that somebody who owns a refinery would have good knowledge on coins, enough to know not to scrap them.

However, in the past few years when all these "Cash for Gold and silver" places started popping up, MILLIONS and MILLIONS of coins changed hands from citizen to dealer. Who knows where they end up
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 Posted 06/22/2012  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I know Morgans were melted by the bags full in the early 80's from what I have heard and so many people were doing it even if they did keep some semi records we would still not be able to know exactly how many were melted. There has been a few different times that silver coins has been melted like this so its really amazing that as many still exist today as there are. I guess we can thank the Bland-Allison act for that
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 Posted 06/22/2012  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list
I had to look it up. Figured I would link it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bland%...3Allison_Act
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 Posted 06/22/2012  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
This is why I buy both types - bullion and .800/900. Semi-keys will one day be the new keys.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I note that the price of silver on the long term trend line 1933 - 2010 is around $12 per ounce.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rycolemet to your friends list
The mint did not melt many Half Dimes for some reason (1.3/97.6=1.3%) compared to 50% of similarly sized Three Cent pieces.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add M0nks to your friends list
i recall reading somewhere there used to be about 12 billion tons of silver and now theres only 200 million tons left - wish I had a few tons haha
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 Posted 06/25/2012  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list
No sir, I don't buy it. Why on earth would a dealer or even a pawn shop sell to a refiner, when they stand to make more $ selling to investors? Even my local dealer can't keep inventory as it goes out as fast as it comes in. Maybe in the past, but not within the last few years.
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 Posted 06/26/2012  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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My smelter claims that he never melts coins, and that he saves them up and sell's them to a coin dealer. I think that somebody who owns a refinery would have good knowledge on coins, enough to know not to scrap them.

Naturally they would say that. To many do not know the laws and just say anything to play it safe.
At a flea market by me a jewler has a note on his counter saying I buy Gold and Silver Coins for making jewlery. He well knows there are no coin police, at least at flea markets.

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No sir, I don't buy it. Why on earth would a dealer or even a pawn shop sell to a refiner, when they stand to make more $ selling to investors?

Because many pawn shops take in rather not so legal stuff. To take the chance of getting caught trying to sell that, they just dump for the metal value. Easier and safer.
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 Posted 06/27/2012  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add M0nks to your friends list
these dealers wouldnt make any money if they just bought everyones collection and just put all the coins in the back - its not like everyones rushing in to pay way over melt for the prices they put on these coins for sale
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