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Pillar of the Community
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If you like this one in hand, I don't think an offer of $210-$225 is unreasonable, but the seller could hold firm since I think someday he'd get $240. So your call. If you pass, do so with the knowledge that it is incredibly hard to find pleasing examples of this coin, especially if your budget is $300 or less. I think it took me close to a year to find one. I like it though. Handling a circulated Seated Liberty dollar comes in second only to feeling the weight of a St. Gaudens double eagle in hand (for me). Anyway, I'd say at $240 it's just a bit on the high side of the "fair" deal spectrum and a nice, honest circulated example with motto legible. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like a decent coin with no problems. As the others have said, I would haggle a bit on the price.
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Pillar of the Community
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Considering it lists at 270 according to Coin World values online, I would say 240 is not unreasonable at all. If you offered me under 200 I would likely laugh at you and not even consider dealing after that. Offering 220 as others have said is not a bad thing, but don't necessarily expect him to go less than 230. I wouldn't. |
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Just an FYI, check ebay completed listings. You can do better for that price. If, however, you have shopped a while and this coin fits your needs, then by all means, go for it  Btw, don't ever be afraid to offer less than the seller is asking, it is all how you go about it IMO. If you are respectful and the Seller gets bent, apologize and move on. Edited by Ron_CA
12/31/2012 7:05 pm
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G4 is accurate. Offer him $220. If he counters at $225, I'd go for it. It's a nice problem free coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There is a difference between making a reasonable offer and insulting someone. When the offer is 180 on 270 value, that works into insult territory IMO/E. Especially when the asking price is ALREADY below value.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks okay for a G4 but about $40 overpriced. $190 or so is wholesale for this date/grade certified as a problem-free Good by a leading TPG. PCGS' Price Guide lists it at $245. I see it as a $200 coin and wouldn't pay more than that for it. |
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Smokeriderdon....If you think that is insulting  You should see some of the offers on houses I buy. You can always pay full price but you will never know what you could have bought something for, if you don't ask.  |
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Valued Member
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Thank you everyone for your opinions.
I have a feeling I could get the dealer to drop the price around $10, but not much more. Since the next higher grade is not that much more expensive, I am leaning towards saving up for a higher grade. But there is something about this one which I like - I just can't put my finger on it.
Either way, it is comforting to know that this is a problem free coin and the dealer has honestly evaluated and fairly priced it. If I don't end up purchasing this coin from him, I may purchase others in the future.
Thanks again everyone.
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This is not meant as a challenge or insult. But to those of you who think the price is off the mark, I would ask out of curiosity, how much do you feel a dealer should be willing to buy it from you? I happened to have an August 2012 greysheet on my desk, so I checked... 220 is grey on the piece in G. Again, it is a genuine question. I'm just wondering, as if you feel a dealer should sell it for 180, or whatever, I suppose you would feel he should pay 120, or so? I just ask this, as perhaps out of my own ignorance I would feel insulted having a no problem original Seated dollar, in a nice G4 at least, and being offered approx. half grey. |
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Tgauchsin that coin in hand, may just have the look that will sometimes motivate our buying it. Case in point, last weekend, I bought 2 1853 liberty Seated half dimes. I only needed 1 for my Dansco. Week before that I bought an 1827 Capped Bust Half that I didn't need at all. But, it was a beauty in hand, with even wear and color that just made me love it. Got a fair price, so I bought it. You never know what does or doesn't motivate a seller. If this one has had that coin in inventory for a while, he might be more motivated to sell than if he just bought it. He may have bought it at a good price and may give you one too or, he may have felt he paid too much and thus has to hold his line very tight. Tell him that you have 2 $ that you are looking at, but are going to buy just 1. What is the best he could do on his 1872? What ever he tells you, ask if he would take $5-$10 off that. If He says $230 tell him you really like it, but would feel more comfortable at $220. just see what he says. If he has already given you indications of where he needs to be and you didn't buy. Who knows, it never hurts to ask. |
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Pillar of the Community
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220 is grey sheet, which is wholesale. So several of you feel that the dealer should sell this coin, in a retail environment, at LESS than the wholesale dealer to dealer value. Riiiiight, gotcha.
tgauchsin, that coin is a solid piece. It has great eye appeal for its grade. At 240, it's a good deal. If you offer 220 and get anything below the 240, consider it a bonus. But I would not hesitate to pay the 240.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Most brick and mortar coin dealers do not pay Grey Sheet bid when buying coins over the counter. If you were to try to sell this coin to your local guy, my bet is you would be very lucky getting $150 for it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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But to those of you who think the price is off the mark, I would ask out of curiosity, how much do you feel a dealer should be willing to buy it from you? I happened to have an August 2012 greysheet on my desk, so I checked... 220 is grey on the piece in G. Again, it is a genuine question. I'm just wondering, as if you feel a dealer should sell it for 180, or whatever, I suppose you would feel he should pay 120, or so? Greysheet is a guide only and often way off market reality. Coin World Values is pretty much worthless and I never use it. I use completed auction listings and Numismedia Wholesale to value coins. The auction record for this date certified G4 by PCGS/NGC is $253. That's the highest price on public records dating back a decade. The "retail" price range for this date certified problem-free G4 (PCGS, ANACS, NGC, ICG) is $184 to $253 over the last 5 years. Average "retail" price for certified G4 pieces is about $210. If I took this coin into a dealer for an offer, what would I expect? About $160 offer. And the dealer asking $240 is also in-line with what I'd expect them to "ask" for the coin. That gives them wiggle room to drop the price 10% and still make a profit. P.S. I paid one of the higher prices listed in the public auction records for this date. $230 last January for this beautiful NGC certified G4. http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJu...0309&x=0&y=0 |
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Valued Member
United States
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That is one of the nicest G4's I've seen, slabbed or not. Little wonder it required a premium.
BTW - Thanks for your response.
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