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Valued Member
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Hey Sap. I thought a variety was any change made to the die prior to it being placed in the press. An error was any change that occurred after the die had been hung. So die cracks/cuds/rotations etc are errors. Design differences, scroll dots in the 19/20 penny's etc are varieties. Is this correct, or am I completely bonkers?  |
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Pillar of the Community
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biokemist 6 I am sorry but it is actually classified as a variety in Australia and it has been backed up by featuring in renniks predecimal varieties book (which I am about to order) and fred levers reference book for varieties otherwise there are five varieties of the Mintmark which are high, medium, just touching, normal(most common) and low here is a link where it shows pictures of it just scroll down a bit and you will see it http://www.triton.vg/F42.html |
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Australia
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OMF
There are NOT five varieties of the "S" florin. Those 5 positions are just a handy method of of lumping similar position mintmarks together. Fred and Ian are dedicated enthusiasts but they don't have the skills and equipment to systematically identify every mintmark position and nor does the average collector. Correctly speaking as each working die was individually "S" stamped then either every die made its own variety or none of them did. Bio6 is correct about how those minor positional differences are a handy diagnostic tool.
SAPs definition of varieties and errors is reasonable; varieties need not be a "problem" though (eg the English or Indian dies of '20, '21, '24, '27 and '31 were either economically using up old dies or the result of experimentation).
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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 Well explained.!! |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I call this my misaligned "S" Not really an error or a variety, more of an oddity/novelty coin   |
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Australia
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I am sorry. In my oppinion I would view it as a variety but maybe the rest of you wouldnt. It is probably because I am a bit to wide on florin varieties. The thing is I am aiming to build the best quality florin collection ever built with as many varieties as possible major to minor ones. Laugh if you want but this is my aim for my collection.
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I am sorry. In my oppinion I would view it as a variety but maybe the rest of you wouldnt. It is probably because I am a bit to wide on florin varieties. The thing is I am aiming to build the best quality florin collection ever built with as many varieties as possible major to minor ones. Laugh if you want but this is my aim for my collection.
nobody is laughing mate, coins are a serious thing to us and the way we collect is a personal thing. I admire your choice, Florins are the hardest pre decimals to get in great nick. If you don't have a 1942s with the "S" that far out of position pm me and I will send it to you |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Thank you trout but no thank you I find one of the best pleasures of coin collecting is finding a great coin where you least expect it. I mean there is nothing that can beat the thrill of finding a variety that has been misattributed as just a regular coin. The Americans seem to love their varieties anyway I think they call them VAMS personally I have no idea what it stands for.
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No worries Mate. I also have no idea about VAMS but I will bet you one of our US cousins that collect Morgans will soon enlighten us  I have noticed on the Canberra florins that there are diferent die states that show up as die cracks and step definition, maybe I can call the CAMS  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I reckon CAMS is pretty spot on Trout! Low step count 25/65, medium steps 30/70, 3 step stunner 40/80. (Excuse the old fart rev head coming out there).
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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VAM number - Unique number assigned to each die combination of Morgan and Peace dollar known to the authors of The Complete Catalog and Encyclopedia of United States Morgan and Peace Silver Dollars. Called VAM because of the authors Leroy Van Allen and A. George Mallis.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Okay thanks for the definition nancy and great abreviation trout hopefully it will catch on
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I reckon CAMS is pretty spot on Trout! Low step count 25/65, medium steps 30/70, 3 step stunner 40/80. (Excuse the old fart rev head coming out there).
I recon CAMS is cool, with the proofs we could call em double overheads,double overheads with turbo and the tops we could call double overheads with a supercharger + nitro. We all love em big blocks  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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 Coins are very similar to Horsepower- "If lots is good, more must be better"  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1006 Posts |
very well put robster very well put indeed |
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