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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The real issue as I see it, is that the city of Houston believes that anyone who sells gold or silver items are thieves, and that is not the case. The best way to avoid that wide brush is to no longer sell your metals within the city.
I'd believe in the program if they actually find a crook. The odds of that happening is like being struck by lightning 3 times and surviving. Slim to none and slim just left town.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They obviously have a huge problem or they wouldn't have resorted to this. No biggie to me.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Having lived there many years, Houston is the pawn shop capital of the world.You cannot drive 5 miles down the road without passing 3 pawn shops. When selling anything you are on video, are required to produce a drivers license and a signature anyway. So the only thing they are adding is the fingerprint.
I have bought many a coin from the pawn shop. Maybe this will keep me from having your coin in my collection.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hard to pry a coin away from the pawn shops here. Well I should say Peace and Morgan dollars. They just wanna hoard em. Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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It might be harder to implement now, but perhaps they can force the seller to have a bill of sale or provenance to prove that they are the rightful owners. Tricky, but given enough time it can happen.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Valued Member
United States
264 Posts |
On the flip side, Can we photograph and fingerprint coin dealers/pawn shops when we buy from them each time? As a way to keep them honest about their junk silver sales?  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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No problem at all. Only criminals would have objection to it happening and it would make it harder for them to do their thing. No - the criminals do not have a harder time at it. They are already breaking the law and a new one is not going to change their attitude/mind/ trouble in getting done what they want to. Its a nice dream, but it never works out this way: Criminal: Oh no, they passed a new law to fingerprint me when I sell fake stuff to people, Well, I guess I'll have to comply - it IS the law after all. And its never hard for a criminal to find a buyer for what they have either. I wish we lived in a common sense dat where people looked at the facts to see that putting more restrictions on law abiding people does nothing to limit the criminals who were breaking the existing laws anyway. and why would anyone care? Because America was founded with the mindset that its none of the governments business what we do privately! The government is supposed to be a servant of the people - not something that watchdogs everything we do. Another ramification of this is that people who have been handed down a lot of PMs by family members now will have it recorded - somewhere - that its possible they have these holdings. Its private business that Americans have been given - in the Bill of Rights - to be private. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Amen Earle42. All it will do is complicate an otherwise simple process and hinder legitimate commerce.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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All it will do is complicate an otherwise simple process and hinder legitimate commerce. Guys, it is pawn shops and cash for gold dealers. It's not like they are going to fingerprint you at Wal-mart. As I said before they already require a valid drivers license, you have to sign a bill of sale, the whole transaction is already recorded by video from every angle. The only thing they added was the thumb print, same as the bank requires as part of Bush's old homeland security rules. |
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Pillar of the Community
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As I said before they already require a valid drivers license, you have to sign a bill of sale, the whole transaction is already recorded by video from every angle. Exactly! So what then is the point of the fingerprint? |
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United States
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Criminals don't obey the law. If a new law is introduced they won't obey that one either. People assume that they would be forced to sell to these law abiding pawn shops. They won't, and surprise, not all of the owners of these upstanding establishments are law abiding citizens. So like many of the upcoming regulations to protect society, this won't work. At all. It will only accomplish the restraining of, and invasion of, our privacy and freedom. I think it would be pretty handy for the Government to know exactly who has the Gold and silver in this country wouldn't it? That way if they ever needed to they could tap that resource like they already did once before.
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Bedrock of the Community
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The only thing they added was the thumb print, same as the bank requires Banks dont require that, thats only if you dont have an account with those banks. If all those other "safe guards" were so effective why do they need to keep adding more? All its doing is building a database of information, its not stopping crime and its not catching criminals. Every large city has pawn shops that dont follow rules they can unload at or sell other ways. The most minimal of effort could avoid all those requirements |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Banks dont require that, thats only if you dont have an account with those banks. Exactly my point. The 10,000 pawn shops in Houston don't require accounts. They don't know you or where you got this stuff from. Just like the banks are required to, the pawn shops are now required to . Isn't this the most minimal effort ? Look, nobody is a bigger " panty wearing liberal " than me. Never been fingerprinted in my life , my fingerprints are not on file anywhere. And I am not about to give my fingerprints to any pawn shop or cash for gold dealer. Look at the numismatic crime forum. People devastated by the theft of their life's work, others of us lamenting about the inability or inaction by law enforcement to catch these guys and recover people's collections. Now when Houston at least tries to do something to curtail it ............... ? |
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United States
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Peeing into the wind is doing something too. That doesn't mean you should do it.
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