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 Posted 04/12/2013  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ram96 to your friends list
I would try to contact him first through ebay. If that does not work, file a claim through ebay. If you do it on their site they can track it and help you resolve the issue.

I sell a lot on ebay and hate when people do transactions like that. I they don't get reported, they will continue to do it if he was trying to scam you.
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 Posted 04/12/2013  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Oh I got a refund but I wanted that coin.
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 Posted 04/12/2013  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ram96 to your friends list
Sorry you did not get the coin, but I am glad he did not rip you off.

I would make a note of what happened in his feedback.
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 Posted 04/12/2013  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list
Okay Ray, it's kind of hard to prove this and explain it but trust me I know I'm right.

Front
1. If you look at the photo you see white dots on the coin.
2. The coin has black on it.
3. The coin is fuzzy a little.

Back
4. Different color background, plastic, and coin.
5. Some white dots and fuzzy. (same as three)

Answers
1. White dots can happen from bad pictures and bad editing skills. ( such as, changing color, resizing.
2. This can happen from changing lightness on coin.
3. This happens from resizing. Or if you change the contact this also causes fuzz.
4. Now this one is tricky, he could have changed the lighting. And that's what he did. But he also changed the color of the coin lightly.


I understand changing the size is not really editing. But changing the color and light is. ( I mean light of the photo, not the light shining down on it.)
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 Posted 04/12/2013  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
I think you should consider yourself to be lucky that you have your money back. Like the majority of purported 1970-S Small Dates on ebay, the chances that the coin was actually a Large Date is quite high because it seems like most people on ebay have no clue how to recognize a SD. The tiny scans do not instill confidence in the seller either Do not purchase a SD on ebay unless the seller provides pics large enough and clear enough to definitively identify the coin as a SD.
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 Posted 04/12/2013  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
I was gambling a bit but I'm pretty dang sure that's a small date in the pic.
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 Posted 04/12/2013  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Just my opinion ... but I agree with Ray, I think it is a small date, mostly from the mushy "Liberty", although I would like to see a close up of the date.

As for the white dots .. I am thinking they could be on the Ait-tite. For the color difference, when I take pictures .. I don't know how to set the white balance
on my camera, so when I re size in picasa3, I do a auto correction. That seems to bring the coin back to the actual color. IMO - seller did a auto correction on the reverse .. but forgot to do it on the obverse.

Of course if the photo experts .. say different .. I would go with them.

As for the coin .. I think you would have made a good deal at that price.

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 Posted 04/12/2013  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Yeah it would've been a killer deal if I had gotten the coin. I've been watching small dates for awhile.
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 Posted 04/12/2013  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Thanks Solo !
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 Posted 04/12/2013  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
HAHAHAHA...classic ebay. Like Bio said, most of the "small dates" I've seen on ebay are actually large dates. If you're interested in one in MS red, shoot me a PM. I have almost a whole roll of them.
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 Posted 04/12/2013  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list
Just a question Bad, what do they cost about? Perhaps, I might have one so I will check over mine.

@Ray, you welcome :)
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 Posted 04/12/2013  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
I'm thinking MS63-64 to be around 20 to 25 bucks but I'm not sure if that's up to date prices.
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 Posted 04/13/2013  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
This is what I currently have in my album, got it from roll searching a bazillion pennies......lol he is unique and the only one I ever came across !



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 Posted 04/13/2013  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BamaBlue to your friends list
About a year ago, I went on a quest for a 1970S Small Date. I did all my homework, printed large copies of the examples and quit 6 months later. I found it nearly impossible, even with very good magnification equipment to detect variation. I even discovered that many experts argue the point. I reached the conclusion that if it was so hard to tell this type of variation from the standard coin, it just wasn't worth the trouble and doubt...
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 Posted 04/13/2013  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skyshark124 to your friends list
I actually think the 1970-S is one of the easier variations to distinguish using only a loupe and eyeballs. Then again, I've been told I am not like most people.
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