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Without reverse pics it's a guessing game;
VF20
F12
F12
F15
VF20
G6
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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These all look like 50-cent coins, unless the George coins are 1921 or 1932, and that Victorian coin is a 1890H or 1894 or a scarcer obverse type, I would wonder why someone would have these ICCS graded in the first place?
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F-15
F-12
VG-10
VG-10 (PVC?)
F-15
VG-8
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F15, VG10, VG8, VG10, F12, VG8
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Thanks to all who participated in sharing their opinions... :) I agree that you cannot provide a definitive grade by seeing only one side of coin... and that it is difficult to assign grade based on a picture, especially if picture is not high quality. But part of the exercise was to bring attention to the fact that most ICCS coins for sale on ebay only show a single picture of the obverse side, with the grade & date info in the background... Many buyers thus make purchase by putting an inordinate amount of confidence in the grade stamped on slip...as has been detailed often in previous CCF posts by the experienced & wise... "Buy the coin, not the holder". My reason for creating these posts to "Test Your Skills" was primarily to highlite how even the #1 respected professional grading company in Canada can vary widely in the grades assigned to coins... Upon knowing the ICCS grades, one can look back at the coins pictured in post and see distinct discrepancies between the grades assigned by ICCS, and the opinions offered by CCF participants... The average of all of the opinions offered by CCF participants was an expressed opinion that there were a variety of grades existing in the pictured coins ranging from VG to VF... Drumroll please...  The first 5 coins pictured are all graded by ICCS as F-15... last coin is a G-6. It is quite obvious to me, and indicated by opinions offered by all participants that some of these coins should grade below F-15 and some above F-15... I continue to be frustrated by the inconsistencies of the "professionals"... and the acceptance by too many that their word is definitive... Grading is obviously not an exact science... in my opinion 3rd party graders are for the most part throwing darts at the same dartboard as the rest of us, and are often no more or less accurate than most experienced collectors in assessing an accurate grade... Take care, and Have a Great Evening!cameron93 |
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A couple of questions, because with ICCS, grading has changed over time:
Are any of the certification slips of the older, embossed certificate?
Do any of the certification slips contain a three letter prefix for the certification code?
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with ICCS, grading has changed over time: PCGS consistently overgrades Canadian circulated coins,and these are becoming quite marketable. Any chance that ICCS is purposely moving towards these standards? Just sayin'. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I hope not, DBM. I struggle with how to use trends to price coins anymore. I used to have a % that I would pay relative to trends for ICCS coins. Now, I'm unsure whether I should apply the same percentage to ICCS coins in old holders, or new olders, or if neither is appropriate. I'd like to think that ICCS is at least trying to be consistent, and not moving from one standard to another. Ultimately, it still falls on the buyer to know what they are buying, but many of my purchases are on ebay, and it's nice to know what you're getting. |
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Always buy the coin not the holder
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SPP - It did not look like any of the certification slips were of the older, embossed certificate type... Re certification slips containing a three letter prefix for the certification code... pics were selected from a variety of ebay listings and as can be seen from following example the cert codes are almost always hiding behind coins on quarters and halves...  Take care, and Have a Great Day! cameron93 |
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So,... the older ones will always be like this..and stamp embossed. I guess that I now have to get all of my coins re-certified to the "new norms"..set by PCGS and now following by ICCS.. ......and if you do buy off of ebay,...you're taking a big risk....  Edited by DEVLEC
04/22/2013 1:55 pm
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Just proves one thing that we all see things just a little differently. BUY the coin not the opinion. Old rule if you like it someone else probably will too!
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It's starting to sound like TPG opinions have gone out the window. |
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