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Which Would You Buy? Investing For The Kids On This One.

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 Posted 05/06/2013  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list
Extremely common dates in both groups and even being in MS-65 the perception will always be they are extremely common and the upside in ten or twenty years won't be as much as the same amount of money spent on some less common dates in the same grades. For my collection I'd buy them, for an investment I would not but, that's just my opinion.

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 Posted 05/06/2013  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
IMHO, these are all relatively common coins, even in high grades. One can find them in quantity at most coin shows. As such, they don't seem like investment coins to me. The trade papers are full of ads, touting these plentiful, slabbed coins as investments. To my way of thinking, the true investment coins are those that don't appear in the ads; better dates in higher grades.

I think that full horn Buffalo nickels, like the 1921-S, '24-S and '26-S, offer great investment potential, being "condition-rare." Such coins without problems rarely appear on ebay. Today's semi-keys may well be tomorrow's keys; especially so, in higher grades (e.g. - early D/S Lincolns in XF-AU; problem-free, pre-1880 Indians with a full Liberty). Early type coins, problem free in XF and better, offer great investment potential, methinks.

Getting back to Walkers, the early dates in VF-XF and higher are getting harder to find. With regard to the Peace dollar series, well struck, high-relief coins will always be in high demand.

Back in the 1980's, many an investor learned a hard lesson, buying slabs. Those who bought "the book" and bought "the coin" fared far better in the 1990's and beyond. Whether it's coins, paper money, exonumia (my personal preference) or whatever, investments tend to better pan out when one focuses on material that is NOT so readily available in the marketplace.
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 Posted 05/06/2013  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grancap74 to your friends list
Thank you again for the information and advice. I wish I could only buy "key" dates in ms grades, but the stores locally seem to be much higher than what I've seen on ebay.
The coins I'm looking at were brought in by a collector who I have purchased some raw coins from before. He has a very long relationship with this store as well. He's much older and has been selling to this store for a few years. I'm not locked into these coins at all, I'm sure he has others I didn't see last week.
I would love to go to coin shows but there is never much around here and with health issues I am not able to walk around the floor of these like I did in the past. I've done some more research the last day on earlier Walkers and key Peace dollars and will talk to him about what else they have in inventory.
I take my wife just to keep me in line, if she ever gets done getting ready!
I believe he had Peace '34p in MS64 as well but I"ll check and write back what we decided on.
Thanks again for all the help
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 Posted 05/06/2013  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
It disappoints me that high grade in both Peace and early walkers does not mean a sharp strike. The appearance of an AU is often better, at a fraction of the price. The later walkers don't have that problem.

One high relief walker that's usually well struck is the 1916-D, and can be fairly affordable. Here's a really nice one. http://briangreerrarecoins.com/inventory.html?c=39
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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05/06/2013 12:03 pm
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 Posted 05/06/2013  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BamaBlue to your friends list
thq... your post about proof sets was like a kick in the stomach. I love proof sets and have been filling some holes (right now 90's Premier Proof Sets). They haven't been easy to find and when I come across them, it's at a high market value price. If you're only getting $10 on a good day, you haven't been advertising in the right places!
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 Posted 05/06/2013  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
bamablue, this is one I have in the stack:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Clad-P...em27d2663b1c

$5.99 includes free shipping on a buy it now. I'd have to be really lucky to get $10 for mine.

Oh why didn't he just buy silver dollars then for $10 each...
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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05/06/2013 4:27 pm
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 Posted 05/07/2013  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffalosRock to your friends list
I'd also opt for the Peace dollars. Though common dates, that they are GEM is a good thing as there is always such a "bump" in most coins at that 64 to 65 break. I personally like the cartwheel lustre and design of the Walker a tad more, but late Walkers in 65 are VERY PLENTIFUL out there. I'm currently working on a late certified Walker 66 run.

The "investing" aspect is hard for me to comment on. I wrestle with that a fair amount myself. The "fewer/rarer/key-date" vs "more/common/less$" of say album filling? As a collector I prefer the latter, as an investor-only I'd look at one "rare" coin instead of 3-4.
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 Posted 05/07/2013  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
ExoGuy summed it up perfectly. Ditto that for me. It takes patients and persistence and a little self control to wait for the coins that you don't see all the time. Common Peace dollars and common Walkers are available by the bucket loads. Maybe not all are high grade slabs, but collectors of these type coins don't buy them based on slab alone. They will scrutinize the strike and eye appeal. Knowing a well struck coin when you see one is important. Also, knowing what years had less common well struck coins and holding out for the better coin will pay off in the long run. For me, this means knowing the market, noticing coins that are undervalued in the market in general and buying them before the take their leap upward in price. Kind of like a lot of the Seated halves and quarters did recently. Good luck and go with your gut!
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 Posted 05/07/2013  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
IF your really purchasing anything for your kids, so much depends on them. Attempting to push a hobby of your choice onto your kids in most instances backfires. Of course so much depends on their ages, boy or girl, how they already look at coins as a hobby. I learned the hard way myself. I tried to get my son into coins when he was a little kid and if worked for a while but today he has absolutely no interest in coins at all. Actually no one in my family is interested in coins as a hobby. Todays kids are so much more into computer games and on line stuff, coins to them are basically borring.
I suggest before you consider getting to much involved in what your kids would like as an investment for the future, try talking to them more.
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 Posted 05/07/2013  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
Sorry, grancap74, but neither is a good investment.
Coins which are common today will be common tomorrow, and if YOUR MS-65 has slightly less eye appeal than another's MS-65 which
do you think will do better?
Buy an educational account if your state offers one. And if you want to buy a few coins,
spend a few years seeking out the truly rare and desirable ones. They will hold their value in the long run.

Alternatively, a single Walker from the twenties or earlier or a Peace dollar from late in run is much more likely
to hold its value or to increase than the common dates you listed.

Then again, you may be among the many who like a lot of shiny coins instead of one or two used. To each his or her own.

Tip for the day: 1919-D coins of any denomination in high grades. Just try to find them! The half especially.

Good luck.







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 Posted 05/08/2013  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grancap74 to your friends list
Update:
Sorry for the delay, but yesterday was doctor visit day.

I ended up purchasing the following,
1 each Peace dollars
1923p MS65
1924p MS65
1 each Walkers
1945p MS65
1945d MS65
1946p MS65

All 5 coins for a total of $500 even, and all NGC slabbed.
He has a 1926s Peace dollar but that coin was out of the budget and he really seems to be much higher on "key" coins than what I've seen go for on websites (he wouldn't go below $900).
Anyway I really want to thank everyone for their input and advice. I'll still keep haggling on the '26s Peace, that really was a great strike coin. There is also several Capped Bust half dollars (which is my first love of coins) that I'd love to add to my set.
I'm happy with the purchase and I feel like I was treated very well. It's nice to have a good local store nearby.
Thank you again for everyone, I'll post some pictures soon.
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 Posted 05/14/2013  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keatsian to your friends list
Good article in CoinWeek today:

The Coin Analyst: Coins are Not Investments; They are Assets and Collectibles to Be Enjoyed
By Louis Golino on May 13, 2013 10:59 AM

"Charles Morgan and Hubert Walker, in their recent 'Open Letter to Wayne Homren,' drew attention to wildly inflated predictions of future prices of classic U.S. commemoratives by Anthony Swiatek in his major reference book on the field, which was updated last year.

"I strongly agree that far too many coin dealers and other involved in selling U.S. coins make exaggerated claims about the future price potential of the items they are selling. This was, in fact, at the heart of recent lawsuits stemming from hard sale tactics by certain coin companies that resulted in multi-million dollar settlements and new FTC regulations on coin buying last year. And the conflict of interest inherent in recommending the very same type of products they sell is troubling indeed, and as Mr. Morgan explains, would not be tolerated in any other industry. In my view, the fact that it is tolerated is something that limits the coin market from reaching its full potential and from being taken as seriously as other industries.

"I believe that this same phenomenon played a key role in the creation and collapse of the great coin bubble of the late 1980's. As it happens, I was taking a break from collecting coins at the time, while pursuing academic and other interests. But I have studied that period, and I believe it offers important lessons and cautionary tales for those looking to become so-called coin investors. . . ."

continued: http://www.coinweek.com/commentary/...-be-enjoyed/
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 Posted 05/14/2013  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grancap74 to your friends list
Keatsian, Thanks very much for the article. Very interesting and educational as well. I've been collecting a while and I didn't purchase these based on what anyone individual said to me. I collect coins I enjoy, and my thoughts are just this:
In my opinion, the majority of MS65 coins from the era and series which I collect have a greater chance of being a sound investment/asset for my children 30 or so years down the line rather than purchasing last years mint set or 2009 Lincoln Cent rolls, or the like. I feel like I paid a very fair price from my LCS from what I have seen sold on ebay or other similar auction sites.
That said, to me some of the TV programs or commercials have a completely different agenda than what I have. I collect because I enjoy doing so and in the process to learn about the history of the coin, as my children seem to be doing as well.
Thanks again for the link and I think there are some very valid points in it that many should read.
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 Posted 05/14/2013  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keatsian to your friends list
grancap, I admire your reasons and motivations for acquiring these coins. I wish you and your acquisitions the best, and I am sure your children will greatly appreciate your efforts.
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 Posted 05/31/2013  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list
"This would be an investment for the kids"


then don't!

collect, but NEVER invest.
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