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 Posted 05/15/2013  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
Super nice coin. XF 40-45.
If it was mine I'd get rid of the crud with veri-care
and put it in my album.
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 Posted 05/15/2013  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
Normic67...I just noticed it when I took the pics. Its been in a blue Whitman slider album since the early 70s. Just took it out of the safe to see what I needed to finish the set. Which I did last week. Its been out of sight many years. When I found this site it gave me the bug and I had to finish it. you guys are awesome
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 Posted 05/15/2013  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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BadThad...isn't V-Care your product? if you recommend not using it, I'm going with you on this one. I have been afraid to do anything to this coin since I owned it. I dont think the crud on it is corrosive.


Yes, it is my invention. I only recommend it as an alternative to paying for conservation services and to save less valuable coins. Leave conservation of high dollar coins to the pros. This coin is nice and original, let it be. That said, the residue is a simple organic grease and not corrosion. It would be easily removed in seconds with VC and a toothpick. But you also run the risk of making it looked like it's been worked on....not worth the risk IMO on a $1200+ coin.
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 Posted 05/15/2013  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Normic67 to your friends list
Oh cool. If you take that stuff off it might be a different tone, (not that it matter`s). You probably got it for a good deal being in the 70`s.
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 Posted 05/16/2013  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Telestrat27 to your friends list
Funny, the first words in my head upon seeing the coin were 'Verdi-Care' - but if BT says no, then that's what I'd go with.

I would send it in to be certified, and potentially conserved (but that's just me).

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 Posted 05/16/2013  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I had originally graded this coin as EF40, after seeing it closeup in the pics, I think it could pull an EF45. thanks for the comments, especially on the crud.
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 Posted 05/18/2013  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
Pay pcgs extra for their conservation service upgrade
Leave it to the experts

Panz, get the beauty out if the blue folder and into a slab IMO

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 Posted 05/21/2013  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
That is a nice looking LWC! King of kings! Looks like AU50 from here.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mhonzell to your friends list
If you are in the business of selling coins based on grade, then don't touch this coin. Send it off to be graded, then hide it in a safe until you sell it. Even light might damage it over time, so minimize your observations of the coin and never, ever actually touch the coin.

If you collect coins and perceive the history behind it while viewing the artisitic details, then clean it up (gently) and admire it. Learn how to "conserve" your coins. (Experiment on the very common ones that are made up of the same metal groups, and not just the ugly dirty ones. Try your techniques on bright shiny common coins.) Get a digital microscope so you can view what you are doing on a big screen while you are doing it. It is a skill worth learning if you really enjoy your set of coins.

In a hundred years, when you're dead and gone, someone else will come across it and your efforts to clean it won't matter one bit as long as you didn't use a brillo pad or harsh chemicals. Your coin is more likely to be destroyed by the method of storage (some type of plastic) than gentle cleaning.
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I have only one reason for TPGs... is my coin genuine? Wasn't that their original purpose? Now, they are just a marketing scheme.

I would love to find a shiny coin from the civil war era, but I'd rather have a coin used by the infantry man to buy his last pair of boots, or saved his life by stopping a bullet.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
mhonzell...nope, don't plan on selling it. been in my collection for about 40 years and most likely will be passed to my grandson. I have never cleaned a coin and know all too well what can happen to valuable coins when some idiot tries to make it "Prettier".
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 Posted 06/05/2013  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mhonzell to your friends list
With that, I'd state the coin has no financial value. It's an heirloom with sentimental value and you want it to survive for your grandson.

If you were leaving him a Mustang, would you pass on a rusty carcass, or try to fix it up? If it's fixed up, are you going to keep it in the garage or show it off by driving it around. Your grandson would not want it if he thought he had to keep it locked up in a hermetically sealed garage.

TPGs have created this atmosphere that it is taboo to "clean" coins.
Well, that's fine for those in the business of selling proof coins or preventing cheats trying to get an extra buck. But,you'll find that well over 80% of all coins on the market have been cleaned. Another 5% have been "conserved" and another 5% are in sealed packages from the mint. Doesn't leave too many unadulterated coins. And, many of those cleaned/conserved coins are in TPG holders. (Look it up.)

You've got an heirloom, not a museum piece. But, even museums conserve their coins.

I'd consider as a minimum, a dip in Acetone (not fingernail polish) to loosen the grease followed by a cheap toothpick to gently push the dirt/grease off the coin. (Cheap toothpicks are usually a softer wood.) Soft tooth brushes work well, but not all agree with Acetone and the idea is to get plastic off the coin.

Dip the tip of the toothpick in the Acetone and rub it on a piece of glass to turn it into a soft brush. Gently push the toothpick into the dirt/grease. Usually, it will pop off in chunks. (I do this under a microscope, so they look like chunks.)

If the coin is AU, or better, a toothpick or cotton swab can harm the luster. I would advise not to clean these mechanically.

Dip coin again in the Acetone to remove the debris. Wipe (don't scrub) coin with cotton swab soaked in Acetone to remove residual grease. Air dry the coin (takes seconds.) Then, dip in distilled water and pat dry with a dry cotton swab.

Liquid Acetone has NO chemical reaction with copper. Acetone, air and copper do, but any Acetone left on the coin will completely evaporate and the duration is not long enough to cause a reaction. If you don't use distilled water, you will leave some minerals on the coin (think dishwasher spotting on glass.)

Wear a nitrile glove on the hand that handles the coin. (Again, don't want the glove to dissove in the Acetone.) Then, when you put the coin back in it's display, it won't have a fingerprint that slowly eats at the coin.

PRACTICE on common coins first. It's amazing what you can do with a toothpick.

Again, if you are looking to sell this coin, don't change it. Somebody, some day will submit it for grading and the TPG will see hairline scratches (probably from a previous cleaning, or just slipping it in and out of the display you have) and then refuse to grade it. When you pass it on to your grandson, any hairline scratches will have developed a normal patina on them again.

Obviously, I'm very opinionated on the topic and to some, I've destroyed all my coins. But, my grandkids enjoy my coins, handle them, know some of their history, and bring me the coins they find to be "restored." I know they'll enjoy their collections.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  11:57 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
That sounded like a can of worms being opened !
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 Posted 06/05/2013  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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mhonzell...nope, don't plan on selling it. been in my collection for about 40 years and most likely will be passed to my grandson. I have never cleaned a coin and know all too well what can happen to valuable coins when some idiot tries to make it "Prettier".


You're correct in not trying to remove anything from the surface of your coin. As BadThad noted, removing the contaminants will expose long covered metal that will likely be a different color, possibly porous, and "vulnerable" to further problems.

Should be authenticated with PCGS being the TPG of choice these days.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Liquid Acetone has NO chemical reaction with copper. Acetone, air and copper do, but any Acetone left on the coin will completely evaporate and the duration is not long enough to cause a reaction. If you don't use distilled water, you will leave some minerals on the coin (think dishwasher spotting on glass.)


First off - you REALLY should not be advocating that people attempt to conserve their $1000+ coins. For the average Joe, 99.99% of the time they will end-up ruining a perfectly good coin. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH A LITTLE GRIME ON A COIN! As long as it's not corrosion, it's fine to just leave it on there. Home conservation is fine for ground finds and cheap coins. Other than that, leave the conservation to the pros. You really need to consider tempering your comments in the future or you're likely to lead a newbie collector down the wrong path as I can tell you're pretty intelligent but definitely do not have a very deep understanding of chemistry.

There is no reason to rinse with water AFTER using acetone. There are NO MINERALS in acetone. It's an organic solvent and it cannot even harbor metallic ions in any appreciable amount. The spots left on glasses after using a dishwasher are from hard water, i.e. calcium and magnesium. THIS CANNOT HAPPEN WITH ACETONE. I never, never, never recommend a final rinse with water as it will completely rehydrate the surfaces. The final step before storage should ALWAYS be with acetone to dehydrate the coin.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mhonzell to your friends list
Thank you for tempering my post with yours.

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