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Ebay Buyer Wants A Return.

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 Posted 06/05/2013  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
What seal006 is saying is correct. EVEN if a seller offers a 14 day return policy, they DON''T have to take the item back if it is a case of buyer's remorse.

I had an incident earlier this year with a seller where I bought a Lincoln Cent in a non top 3 slab. Some of these can be pretty nice but in this case the photos did not show the fact that it had been recently dipped (the photos appeared to show a toned coin). Since he had a 14 day return policy, I contacted him and politely explained the issue. He became very confrontational and told me to open a case. When I opened the case, he then responded that if the item returned was the one he sent, he would refund me. After that though he became very difficult about instructions for the return and so I escalated the case to ebay. Much to my surprise, ebay found in the seller's favor.

After many calls to ebay, I finally got escalated to a senior customer service person who explained that, counter to what you might think, a seller does NOT have to accept a return even if they have a return policy. In my case however, he admitted that ebay messed up because the seller had agreed to the return in writing. That was the only thing that prevented me with being stuck with the coin. I had assumed I was protected by the 14 day return policy but I was not. That definitely has changed my buying habits on ebay.

So - bottom line - there are very specific rules around returns and you can't return an item unconditionally.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seal006 to your friends list

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So - bottom line - there are very specific rules around returns and you can't return an item unconditionally


EXACTLY. I feel that many of those that gripe and moan about ebay have become spoiled by the internet and Walmart. Most of the sellers you deal with on ebay are very small one man/woman operations. Most would not be able to keep selling if they had to accept returns 100%. That is why there are policies in place to protect them as well as their buyers. Education is key. The more you know about ebay the more you will know how to use it to help you. If you know more about it than your buyers you have a very BIG advantage when issues arise.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list
The listing was obfuscating. Yes, everything was stated, just like the healthcare bill.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seal006 to your friends list

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The listing was obfuscating.


How is this confusing? "Here is a list of all the coins included in the album:"
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 Posted 06/05/2013  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
So the buyer simply not liking the coin is not reason for return? Buyer, "It was darker than I thought or had a tiny spot", are not valid reasons for return?

Please explain because dozens of the largest ebay powersellers of coins are taking these on the chin every day.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seal006 to your friends list
If the photos are accurate representation of the coin, showing true color or showing that tiny spot, then no those are not valid reasons for a return. Most powersellers just give in because it is easier than fighting. on a small priced item that would be good practice. On high dollar items, I say fight.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Who makes the call on accurate representation? Coins always look different in-hand and some buyers are picky. If the buyer doesn't like the coin and wants to return it within the parameters of the return policy? Sorry. The buyer will get their money back whether or not you choose to refund it or not. ebay and/or PayPal may be the ones paying the buyer but rest assured, the buyer does not have to accept a coin they are not happy with.

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 Posted 06/05/2013  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
If ebay or paypal wants to pay them with their own money what does it matter to you as a seller?
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 Posted 06/05/2013  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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If ebay or paypal wants to pay them with their own money what does it matter to you as a seller?


It would to me. A seller is not going to get too many freebies fighting buyers who want to return items under the sellers return policy.

I certainly wouldn't contest a legitimate return for under $100 in "loss". A buyer not liking a coin and wanting to return it under the terms of the sellers return policy is a legitimate return.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seal006 to your friends list
I ship all of my single coins in half of a clear 2x2 flip. On the open side I have a label that seals it. On the label it has my company logo on one side and the following on the other: "Tampering with label voids refund". On all of my single coin listings, my return policy states, "I ship all single coins in clear holders or 2x2 flips. This way you can see the coin before you handle it. Each holder is sealed with a label. Returns are only accepted if the seal on the label has not been tampered with." Also part of my returns terms is that the buyer pays return shipping. So if a buyer wants to return a coin and has followed the instructions, they are entitled to do so. It also means I am out nothing. I get the coin back that I sent, and can do a second chance offer with the runner up, or just relist and resell.

Honestly all of these things people complain about with ebay would be the same problems if you owned your own brick and mortar store. If you have a dissatisfied customer, they can report you to the BBB, or even worse, tell their friends. There is an old saying, "If you make a customer happy, they may tell one person. If you make a customer unhappy, they will tell EVERYONE."

I guess the fact I have either managed retail stores or owned my own business for almost 20 years now, I have a good understanding of the expectations of doing business. I remember reading all the threads complaining about ebay and PayPal fees. Those just made me laugh as both are some of the most affordable ways of doing business everywhere, and provide more traffic than I could ever imagine to drum up on my own. I really like paying their fees, because by paying their fees it means I am making money.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Thanks for the follow-up seal006. I agree completely with your comments.
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 Posted 06/05/2013  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
I also agree with seal006! It is business as usual, and I can say is a lot cheaper than owning a 'brick and mortar' shop.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
hesgut, I pulled your post and replies about it. We do not want CCF to have instructions on how to cheat someone.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
Just for the record, fuzzy made it sound like I posted instructions on how to cheat someone, which is completely false. I never saw any of the responses to my post so I have no idea what was included in them. My post was essentially saying that a buyer on ebay has all the power and a seller will always lose a case even if the buyer flat out lies. I never supported such actions or gave instructions on how to cheat anyone. In fact, as someone who sells more than they buy, why would I. I think the ebay return policy handling and the buyer protection program is a total joke.
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 Posted 06/10/2013  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
When did Fuzzy become a mod? Nice!
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