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Grade My New (Old) Quarter?

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 Posted 05/23/2007  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list
I'd say anywhere from MS-61 to MS-63, as dipping and/or cabinet friction are NOT the same as wear from circulation. A very nice coin.
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 Posted 05/23/2007  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rigoletto to your friends list
It is a beauty but I can't tell if that is a touch of wear just behind the ear of not.
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 Posted 05/23/2007  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Depending on luster, it might go MS62. I just wonder why it's not in a TPG slab.
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 Posted 05/23/2007  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
B-2 (no period after 25), the rarer of the two varieties. Wowser, Jaobler. This is one heckuva coin, and a tremendous rip if you didn't reach well into 4 figures to acquire it. Great strike, better at the front of the bust than most and only a little weakness in some stars is noted. If the fields are as undamaged as Stack's photos make them seem, it's very near Condition Census.

Don't mistake the extensive obverse die rust for field damage, people - this (and the clashing) is extremely common with this issue. The only actual "marks" I see are at 7:00 near the denticles and 3:00, midfield.

Holy cow, man. You've outdone yourself.

Edit: I did a little digging. Jaobler, you need more fruit for this one than the forum can provide.

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 Posted 05/23/2007  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
oh yeah guess I better throw this in there before someone else does, if you ever feel the need to get rid of this one you know how to use the forum email to reach me
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 Posted 05/24/2007  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
Beautiful coin! I am going with MS-64. Why don't you slab it and see who got it right (assuming the slabbers do)?
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 Posted 05/24/2007  06:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
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The only actual "marks" I see are at 7:00 near the denticles and 3:00, midfield.


I also see a reverse mark in the left field. I'd call this coin MS63, though. None of these marks is distracting.

Congratulations on a great find!
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 Posted 05/24/2007  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list
A real beauty! Congrats!
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 Posted 05/25/2007  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Hey everybody, thanks for the input. I got my email invoice today so I really did win the coin. No Buyer's Remorse on this purchase!
For the record, Stack's called it an MS63 and it was auctioned on 05/22 as part of the Henry Leon sale. I'd never heard of this collector but the majority of his coins were valuable and exotic colonial items. His 1652 New England shilling sold for over $400,000! The collection included many high-grade US type coins, most of which were uncertified. I probably will send this coin off to PCGS, after I've had a chance to enjoy it!
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 Posted 05/25/2007  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list
You should be very proud. I love Bust Coinage and this is an absolute beauty. It is refreshing to hear that there are still some raw coins of this caliber out there. I still am torn between raw and slabbed. In this case, I just like you, would savor it raw(put on the drool guard!!!) for a while but then have it slabbed. Congratulations on a stunning purchase! Mike
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 Posted 06/13/2007  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Maybe I knew it was too good to be true....
When I received this coin I was unpleasantly surprised. The coin looked rather dull in hand and I detected some faint hairlines that did not show in the photos. This was a case where the coin looked worse in person than in the picture. The really bad news is that it was not a raw coin after all. It was in a slab, and not a very nice one!

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I contacted Stack's and they agreed that the catalog should absolutely have stated the coin was slabbed, and by which company. They asked me to return it for examination, which I did. I just got off the phone with the Stack's rep and he says he would grade this coin as MS-60, lightly cleaned. He apologized for the misleading catalog entry and is sending me a refund. Oh, he also mentioned that although this coin was listed in the Henry Leon sale catalog it was not part of that collection. It came from a different consignor.

Prethen and Mike, your suspicions were correct. An 1833 quarter in problem-free MS-63 grade probably should have been in a top TPG holder. Now we can speculate as to why this one is in an Accugrade slab: it was probably first rejected by PCGS and NGC!

I'm pretty disappointed in Stack's. I expect them to describe each coin in their catalogs in accordance with their considerable numismatic expertise. If a coin is slabbed and they think it is overgraded, they need to say that. I for one would also like to know up front whether they think a coin has been lightly cleaned!

So, I'll get the cash back and resume the hunt. Stack's is conducting another auction next week and I see some tempting items in the catalog. My contact offered to discuss any lots that I am interested in, before I place any bids. I'll be sure to take him up on that!
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 Posted 06/13/2007  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list
Sounds like Stack's dropped the ball on this one. I can't imagine your disappointment. I will definitely think twice before working with Stack's...Photo fixing? It doesn't even look like the same coin. I would rather have a raw bust than one trapped in ACG...Underhanded move on the part of Stack's in my opinion.
Good luck on the hunt and glad to here that they were willing to fix their mistake.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
I tend to go with my gut a lot of times on coins like this. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. I'm extremely skeptical when higher grade, rarer date, and/or higher priced coins are still raw or in an lower tier slab. Usually, that's an indicator that there's something wrong with it. Not always. Sometimes you can get lucky. Sorry about your experience, but I hope others read this thread and learn from it.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list
I won a Renaissance coin from Stacks in April. It was a nice coin, but didn't have anywhere near the rainbow toning shown in the catalog. They also seem to have a very large staff and work very hard on presenting their CVs but suffer from an inability to respond to a customer's email.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nelrak to your friends list
I am sorry to hear of your disappointment! I tend to agree, the coin you received doesn't look like the one you pictured at the start of this thread. Look at the stars on the right hand side on the original picture and then look at the one you got. I am glad you were able to get a refund, but you didn't get what you paid for. I always save a picture of the coins I purchase over the internet and look for identifying marks to compare the coin sent with the ad. I'll keep an eye out for a nice quarter for you.
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