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PCGS Grading Standards And Online Price Guide Discussion.

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 Posted 06/24/2013  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I use both PCGS and Numismedia as Numismedia does not carry many of the grades
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 Posted 06/24/2013  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
Thanks for that link Dave!
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 Posted 06/24/2013  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Numismedia is a great source and NGC uses this price guide as well...pretty certain that these two are in cohoots.
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 Posted 06/24/2013  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
I'll check it out. Thanks for the link and input.
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 Posted 06/24/2013  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list
Although not exclusively I use numismedia as well most of the time for a quick lookup, although alot of their prices seem high, or even low at times still. ebay completed listings also give a fair price for what like coins are actually selling for here, today and now.. So that's a good option as well. Instead of looking at just one source I like to take RedBook, numismedia and completed auction listings and kind of average them out...
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 Posted 06/24/2013  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add babysitr to your friends list
PCGS slabs often carry a premium ,,,even over NGC....Not sure I agree,but so be it.....Their guides are full retail IMHO....When I can buy slabbed at a full grade less price,,,there is hope for price appreciation....I'm close.....Buying raw I like to stay at 50=60% of retail....But sometimes I pay retail on a whim......Just bought a 1908s indian PCGS VF-25....paid $125...?.....Probablly nuts......Liked the seller,,,hope to buy from him again
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 Posted 06/25/2013  12:32 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
A combo of Greysheet, Numismedia, and Coin Prices magazine.
Slabbed coins I use Heritage auction archives, as well as ebay once in a while.
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 Posted 06/25/2013  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
Seems like I can usually pay about 5%-10% below RedBook prices at my LCS. ebay, well, it's ebay. Usually higher than book except for the occasional deal that by some miracle from God no one over bid. Seems like someone always wants it more than me. When the old man closes up the last good coin shop in my town, it will be a sad day and my "bargain" shopping days will be over for good. I've got to keep the old man kicking for a few more years. : )
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 Posted 06/25/2013  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I'm with babysitr when it comes to buying raw, 50-60% of retail. I usually let it go if it goes higher than that.
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 Posted 06/25/2013  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
Panzaldi, 50-60% of the PCGS retail or red book/other retail? I never find quality/original problem free coins raw for 50-60% of retail by any measure! I need to shop where you are shopping. : )
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 Posted 06/25/2013  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
mostly on ebay. I go through a lot of coins to find clean ones without issues. grade it at what I think it should valued at. get my pricing from PCGS and Numismedia. i'll set a watch on it then I record it in an excel spreadsheet with its details and comments along with when its ending, the full price and my highest bid that I will go. I've been doing this for a couple years so I have a lot of sales recorded in each of the grades. I can tell by that the average of retail they are selling for. I dont bid on all of them, some I just record and track so that I have history. If I really like it, i'll set my mock bid at 65%. some coins I need just dont go below 70% so there are some exceptions. i'll wait until the auction is ending and then at the last minute put in my highest bid. Dont win a lot of them, but when I get it, I know I did ok. here's a snapshot of my spreadsheet. the dark orange are the bids I actually made. if the row is orange I won it. the % of value field tells me how much of retail it sold for and I have triggers set to color it if its under 50% or under 25%. some coins sell well below 50% others not so much.


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 Posted 06/25/2013  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
panzaldi, I keep all my coin information in my phone that is backed up to "the cloud". It stores all of my information and creates a spread sheet also. But the data entry on your system is something I dont have the patients to handle! VERY impressive!

The app will tap into ebay and Heritage databases to help with values and such. I am currently in the labor intensive process of entering all the data and pictures of each coin into this system. This is gonna probably take a year or two and is driving my wife crazier than she already is : ).

The app is called uscoin. I can access it on any iDevice I have. It is backed up with a Dropbox app/acct.
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 Posted 06/26/2013  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
jbone, the reason for my post was to show you that many coins sell for less than than 65% of retail. you just need to be patience and have a plan of attack. are you willing to pass on it until the next one comes along? most times once I grade a coin I will take up to 5 points off in case I'm wrong before I price it out, that way if if comes in at that grade I'm still ok. if my original grade is good, well, I just made a really good deal.
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 Posted 06/26/2013  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list
Panzaldi, I'm not sure % of retails is the correct formula.
For example, common silver coins, are extremely unlikely to be purchased for 50% retail as even their retail is epsilon (say, 20% tops) over melt.

On rare coins, for example 50% retails might still be significantly higher than wholesale, if a coin is hard to sell.

This means your formula would bias you towards coins with high bid-ask spread, which are usually the less popular coins, with lower demand.


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 Posted 06/26/2013  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
I appreciate the advice. I have actually gotten a few nice deals on ebay when I'm patient. I'm not the kind of collector that buys just because its in front of me (most of the time). I go to a couple of different shops almost daily. The "fresh" coins that are good quality are gone fast, so that's how I get most of my good stuff. Sometimes it is slow going though. When I have to resort to ebay, I will have to work out a system like yours.
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