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1916 Matte Proof Lincoln? Now With Pictures :)

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 Posted 10/05/2013  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
I don't think this is. But, believe it this is an exceptional business strike.

The rims are not square. Parts of the rims are, but not all.

From PCGS:

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinIm...3324&redir=t
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 Posted 10/05/2013  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I could be wrong but my initial impression is it is not a proof for the same reason that acloco has mentioned.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list
Nope.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  01:45 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I thought the rims had been cropped from the images? Only 3 business strike Lincolns have ever graded 66BN at PCGS. If it is a business strike it could still be a valuable Top Pop.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The very sharp detail suggests a proof, or at least a very early strike off fresh dies.
I would say it has been deliberately retained or collected, probably straight from the Mint.

It is a moot point if it is a proof or just a pristine very early business strike, the value would be much the same.

It may be a very slightly impaired proof; there are one or two tiny dings in it. That is unfortunate, but perhaps not too surprising.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
If you look at the 1 o'clock position there is a very minor Cud on the rim...makes me doubt how early a strike it is...still an awesome coin!
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 Posted 10/06/2013  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
Thanks for all the replies guys. Proof or not I decided to pick it up. I will post it in the grading section in a few days when I receive it. Hopefully it looks as good in hand.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
Very nice. That baby wouod be headed straight for ANACS were it mine.
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 Posted 10/08/2013  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ksmcents to your friends list
Don't know if it's a Proof....but WOW what a beauty! Great pick-up!
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 Posted 10/08/2013  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I like it better as a Business Strike than as a Proof. You'd expect this quality from the latter, but it's an extraordinary example of the former.
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 Posted 10/08/2013  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
Regardless...THIS is a BEAUTIFUL Lincoln!
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 Posted 10/08/2013  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
Thanks guys! I agree, for a business strike it's stunning. If it looks this good in hand it will be the best looking Lincoln I have by far. I plan on sending it in but not sure where I want to send it yet. If I can get a few more coins together I'd like to send it to PCGS. I have another LWC I have been thinking about sending in, and I could always send in my 2013 ASE west point set but I like the OGP.. So we will see.
I would be thrilled to death if it did end up being a top pop coin.
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 Posted 10/08/2013  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Telestrat27 to your friends list
Awesome coin. If anyone could kindly articulate what makes a proof a proof (especially with older coins, as I'm not sure what to look for) that would be fantastic, as I don't know the difference either. I saw the link to PSGS posted above, but I'm not a member, so I can't see it.
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 Posted 10/08/2013  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
Proofs are not intended for circulation. They are struck on special planchets, with special dies, and are struck more than once.

Here are two proofs from the PCGS link.



1916-Matte-Proof-Lincoln?-Now-With-Pictures-:

1916-Matte-Proof-Lincoln?-Now-With-Pictures-:
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 Posted 10/09/2013  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Definitely not a proof. The master hub was re-done in 1916 so all MS coins have nice detail.

MS-64BN and it might even land in a 58 holder if you submit. The right wheat shows rub on the lines and the rims indicate a bit of wear. Still, a nice toner!
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