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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Lovely Santiago pieces - gorgeous high grades on the 1810 pairing, and a very nice example of the rare across the board Charles III 8R. Did you notice the 1773 in Sedwick's auction last week?
You're the guy who's posted all the Chilean material on the other forum, correct? You and that one other poster (whose name escapes me, but he hosts the coinsandhistory.com site) have posted some very nice pieces.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Wow, those chilean Ferdinand VII busts are among the best I've seen so far, they are superb !
And the others ... just wow, thanks a lot for sharing :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Germanicv's
I collect Lima Pillar dollars and would love to see any examples that you have of those coins. I too was drawn to collecting Spanish Colonial and Mexican Republic coinage because of my love of history. I am curious, do you know if there is a mint museum in Lima? I would like to Peru some day and that would be something I would enjoy seeing if such a museum exists.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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GERMANICVS:  to the CCF! I note that you have an interest in history, and are living in Germany. I also note that you collect Roman coins. Perhaps you may develop an interest in European history and that could be illustrated with coin examples. I recently acquired a gold Ecu d'or au soleil of Charles V111 of France, but I have perhaps 50 or so European hammered coins, and maybe 100 or so European milled coins. Some of these can be acquired at very reasonable cost. The coinage of the Americas cannot be illustrated with hammered coins. |
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Pillar of the Community
 Germany
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Hello, Once again, many thanks for your welcoming words and comments. Your are correct realeswatcher - I am the guy who posted some Santiago mint colonials in the other forum. Wonghini - yes, am quite concerned about the proliferation of Spanish Colonial fakes. Some of them are of course obvious, but others are good enough, they fool even the major auction houses. I will post such a one in another thread. Sel_691I - I do in fact collect european, German, English and some French. However, the bulk of my european collection is German, with a focus on coins of the Napoleonic. Here are some Lima mint colonials - No 8 Reales (The only 8 reales I have is probably a fake), instead 4, 2 a 1 real coins, and nothing special at that, but quite historical. In my experience, the 4 reales denomination is more difficult to find than the 8 reales. This coins bear the '2 Mundos' design - I think one of the best balanced coin designs. I like it. The 2 reales is a scarce coin - Gilboy L-2-15b, with the Limae monogram monogram for M in JM. The 1 real is the 1753/2 variety. I did not notice this when I bought it. It was a nice surprise.                |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Very nice, thank you for sharing. The 2 with the monogram in the assayer is really a good find. One of the fun things about Spanish Colonial is the abundance of over dates, over assayers, and over monarchs and other anomalies that can be found. One of the most blatant Lima mint errors is the misspelling of "Hispan" on a few 8 reales dated 1771
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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Jfransch, I forgot to answer your question about numismatic museums in Lima-Peru. I vaguely remember visiting one many years ago in Lima. I do not know if it is the same one that I found today via brief search in the internet: http://www.bcrp.gob.pe/docs/Proyecc...del-Peru.pdfThis numismatic museum is attached to the Peruvian Central Bank, and is open very day. From the Brochure description it certainly seems worth visiting, and will try to visit it myself when I am next there. Where can I look at the 8 reales in your collection? Do you have the misspelled 'Hispan' variety in your collection? I found a 'Gartia' instead of 'Gratia' 4 reales for Lima dated 1772 once in a 15 $ a coin bin in Belgium of all places. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Germanicvs I would be happy to post pictures of some of my Lima Pillar dollars, do you have any in particular you would like to see? I do not have a complete set but I have been working on it for the last 35 years and have quite a few including some of the very rare "dot' varieties. Here is the "Hiapsn" error that I was talking about. It is amazing with the strict quality control that Spain had in the mints that a major spelling error like this slipped past.   |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Wow, it has a superb error, and over that ... it's in superb condition !
Thanks for sharing that one jfransch !
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
1852 Posts |
Jfransch,
I have to congratulate you on your 1771 8R. That is a beautiful example of a rare coin. I believe I have only ever seen 1, or maximum 2 in published catalogues. Gilboy rates it R5, and I believe that was his max rarity rating. After this I would like to see your 1751, please!
Please post any that you think are exceptionally nice, or specially rare in your collection. Would love to see those.
My only example of an 8 reales (the 1772 with two dots),is , as I mentioned, probably a counterfeit. I believe you commented on it elsewhere.
Do you also collect Peruvian Republican issues? I have a faible for the small denominations, specially for those from Cuzco, Ayacucho, Arequipa, and the Republic of North Peru. I have a few of the 1 and 2 reales from North Peru which are quite scarce.
Another coin which I tried to find, with success, many years ago were the first coins struck at the Lima Mint by Alonso del Rincon, specially his half real with large RI on the obverse. Alas, you can't have it all.
Again, congratulation on a beautiful 8 Reales.
If you go to Lima you may want to visit the aforementioned museum, but also the regular meeting of the Sociedad Numismatica del Peru. I believe they meet regularly once a month. While in Lima, you will surely also not want to miss the excellent local cuisine, in my opinion one of the best in Latin America.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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Mathieu, mes plus sinceres felicitations! quelles belles monnaies. Je dois avouer je suis jaloux, et pourtant la jalousie n'est pas typique pour moi.
Très, très beau!
I think I will have to sell some of my cons, and purchase a Rincon. Truly historic coins. Thank you for showing them.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Germanicvs
Sorry I do not own either of the 2 known 1751 Lima Pillars.(Wish I did but no such luck). I do however have some nice Lima coins I will take out of the SDB and post a few examples. Do you also collect Mexico City Mint Spanish Colonial Coins?
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Pillar of the Community
France
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GERMANICVS : Ihr Französisch ist super I'm Vergleich zu meinen Deutsch!
Actually, I learned german during 7 years at school, at the same time as english, but as I never used it ... I lost everything (and I'm missing spanish, due to this collection)
Actually, the 1/4, 1/2, 1 and 2 reales from Rincon are not that espensive (well, they are, but nowhere compared to the 4). I should take better pictures than those I have (only the 4 is a picture I made)
I'll receive a Potosi Rincon 1/2 real from Sedwick soon as well :)
Those coins are indeed very important for the new world - they were the first minted in Peru.
Rincones from Mexico are also superb and hard to get at a decent price ... particularly the elusive 3 reales ! (I only have the 1 real from Mexico from him)
Anyway, I have to admit I like those you posted to start this topic, they are superb as well ! Way better than the ones I have (I'm not going after top grade, but ... when I can, I really appreciate those :D )
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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I really appreciate those early Lima issues - Due to my other areas of interest I just never got around to obtaining one. As you mention Sedwick just had some in his most recent auction, but I was too late of that. I will keep an eye out in the future. I can only imagine how primitive the conditions at the Lima mint ca. 1570 must have been, considering the city had only been founded some 35 years earlier. These coins convey well some of that early history.
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