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Did The Carthaginians Set Foot In Nova Scotia?

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 Posted 12/15/2013  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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To play devils advocate... How would we know what it is supposed to look like? I mean, no one can say for sure just based on it's condition. We have no data on what coins buried in Canadian soil for two thousand years should look like.

The climate in Nova Scotia is not too dissimilar to the climate in Britain and Europe, and the geology is much the same. I don't see any reason why "Ancient Nova Scotian bronze coins" would look any different to European ones. And European ones, freshly dug up, typically look like little green rocks. They need work to make them look like coins.

As for the "rewrite the histories" crowd, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and a couple of coins wrenched out of their archaeological context by a metal detectorist isn't going to qualify. There are many logical reasons why this coin could not have been dropped by a passing Carthaginian, some of which have been mentioned already.

One not yet mentioned is this: bronze coins rarely circulated beyond the city of issue. They were issued as token currency, exchangeable for silver only on the word and promise of the city government and the moneylenders operating under city license. They were worthless beyond the regions of the city's control, and doubly worthless when trading with barbarians. The circulation of bronze coins needs all the trappings of civilization that a full-fledged colony would bring, and we would see the evidence easily: ruins, graves, pottery shards by the bucketful.

When Phoenician traders visited Cornwall, England to trade for tin, they left precious little evidence behind that they were there. They were also equivocal with their Greek customers when it came to describing exactly where the tin came from, lest the Greeks go looking for it themselves. But there is enough evidence, from both the on-the-ground archaeology and the historical writings, to put their presence there beyond doubt. To the best of my knowledge, no Phoenician bronze coins have ever been found in an archaeologically correct context in Cornwall. Why not? The Phoenicians did not come to settle; they came, traded, and went away again. And bronze coins would have been useless, except perhaps to explain to the more thickheaded locals what they wanted the tin for.
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Hey, guys, I was just looking for some coin identification!
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Come on, you know you enjoy reading all this ancient coin info...
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Sap - thanks for that info. I learned much from it.
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Hey, guys, I was just looking for some coin identification!

Then don't start a thread with the title "Did the Carthaginians set foot in Nova Scotia?". That was just asking for trouble.
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You got me there.
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 Posted 01/25/2014  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sarkany to your friends list
Thanks for rersponding to these coins that I found a tad ago along a lake in Dartmouth. Did have them "CPIC" by the police to see if stolen from a collection.

In my 42 years of detecting...upon reflection most of the really old coins I have found area around the ocean, or as in this case a fresh water suppl near the ocean.

The three came out of the same hole and one of these days I'll do a "swish" (water dig) at that spot.

A Spanish one real also came from this area.
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 Posted 09/02/2015  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adamwighty to your friends list
Where in the province of Nova Scotia was this found. I am curious since I am into the province's history.
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I think that this all is a joke...
I donīt believe this "finding", you can find a very beautiful copper coin (not used for trading) but you canīt find any glass, pottery or ancient tools?
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 Posted 09/06/2015  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adamwighty to your friends list
Well, it, actually does correspond to ancient writings about the Carthiginians finding an island outside the gates of Hercules, as well as their description of the climate, as well as other findings in Nova Scotia--there was an ancient copper mine in Cape D'or that was there when the 'first' known European explorers showed up in the 1600s. Hieroglyphs were found here as well, and the Mic Mac's language is hyeroglyphic and near identical as the kind used by the North Africans and Carthiginians, including symbols for things for which the Mic Mac's didn't use, such as gold, steel and other metals. Supposedly, the Carthiginian's abandoned the trade with the area when theyfeared other rivals might find the new, set up shop, and thus throw off their position of naval superiority on account of the many ships that they would be able to build. Classical thinking, at that time, was very limited to the city state local and couldn't comprehend a real global empire of that sort.
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 Posted 09/22/2015  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adamwighty to your friends list
So where was this coin supposedly found in Nova Scotia
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It's been a while since sarkany has posted to the forum. I believe he's running his own metal detecting site now.
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 Posted 09/27/2015  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list

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found a tad ago along a lake in Dartmouth


Doesn't seem as though you're going to get much more precise than that, unless Sarkany returns here or you find him on another forum. Being that Dartmouth is the city of lakes, that doesn't help with an "exact" spot, but at least you know it's Dartmouth.
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 Posted 09/29/2015  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list

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One of my college professors said that during a visit to a museum in Egypt, that one of the exhibits proudly displayed was a boat said to be used by the ancient Egyptians to trade with (now Latin America) Indians. I never looked into this, and do not know the legitimacy of their claim. But my professor said they talked about it as a factual event as if everybody knew this had happened. It would help explain some of the cultural parallels.


There were Pyramids in North, Central and South America. And I remember reading once that there were supposedly hieroglyphics somewhere in the Grand Canyon.
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 Posted 09/29/2015  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
What other artifacts were recovered? Unless a merchant thought that a local would trade for a small hunk of metal, I would expect a settlement to leave behind farming equipment, building foundations, and maybe some other miscellaneous tools and weapons. Of all the useful things to take to the wild unknown, a bronze coin is not one of them.
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